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Re:How poverty changes your mindset by gizmo686 on Sunday February 25, 2018 @09:10PM (#16462517)
Why not? If you define poverty as being below the Xth percentile of wealth, then it is tautological that we cannot reach 100% non-poverty.

However, if you define poverty in absolute terms, then there is no fundamental reason why we cannot reach 100% non poverty. All that is necessary is for society to produce enough "stuff" that, when divided by the total population, is still greater than the poverty threshold.

In practice, the much harder problem is distributing that stuff such that everyone actually gets enough to put them beyond the poverty threshold. This is certainly a hard problem, but I don't see any reason to think that it is fundamentally unsolvable.

Re:How poverty changes your mindset by draugadrotten on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:07AM (#16463877)
> Why not? If you define poverty as being below the Xth percentile of wealth, then it is tautological that we cannot reach 100% non-poverty.

This is indeed how it is defined in many wellfare states eg in Europe.

"People are considered at risk of monetary poverty when their equivalised disposable income (after social transfers) is below the at-risk-of-poverty threshold. This is set at 60 % of the national median equivalised disposable income after social transfers."

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...

There will always be poor people with this definition.

Re:How poverty changes your mindset by Al-Khwarizmi on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:25AM (#16463940)
No. "60% of the national median" is not the same thing as fixing a percentile, and it is perfectly possible to not have poverty under that definition.

For example, in a country with ten people whose incomes are 7, 7, 8, 8, 10, 10, 12, 50, 47212 and 4000000000000000, there is no poverty after that definition (the median would be 10). As you can see, it doesn't even need to be a very egalitarian society!

Re:How poverty changes your mindset by zaarn on Monday February 26, 2018 @04:42AM (#16464189)
"60% of the Median" can easily be a zero number of elements from the set.

In this case, median means "sorted by income, at which point have we divided the entire dataset in half". For a dataset with more than 2 elements (so 3 elements minimum), you can construct a dataset for which any below-100% of the median of the dataset is not represented in the dataset.

The easiest example would be using "99% of the median" and [9.999, 10, 11]. Median is 10, 99% of the median is 9.9, the smallest sample is 9.999.

60% of the median income basically means "the lowest 50% income bracket should not have more than 40% deviation". Or rather; the lowest possible income is bigger than 60% of the lowest earner of the top 50% of society.

Re:How poverty changes your mindset by zip1234 on Monday February 26, 2018 @11:51AM (#16466713)
There is also the issue that even if all of the money were split between everyone--some people would spend all of theirs and some would save theirs. Wealth is accumulated money, not income.