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Re:Dropbox saved almost $75M over two years by moving out of... by marcinzm on Sunday February 25, 2018 @11:18AM (#16459584)
>There can be advantages in that the developers more often can do the tasks passably well enough that you can spread tasks around, but if it's not accounted for a lot of the time people are fooling themselves when it comes to the costs.

It is cheaper than hiring a full DevOps team which is a better apples to apples comparison. By spreading the load across the dev team I can automatically get a high bus factor and 24/7 hour on-call rotation. If the load cannot be spread across the team but requires specialized DevOps engineers then I lose both those very important points. Obviously once your company is large enough it's different but for small teams/companies it is an important factor.

Re:Dropbox saved almost $75M over two years by moving out of... by vidarh on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:22PM (#16460643)
> It is cheaper than hiring a full DevOps team which is a better apples to apples comparison.

My experience is that it often is more expensive when you actually account for lost development time.

> By spreading the load across the dev team I can automatically get a high bus factor and 24/7 hour on-call rotation.

... and my experience of this is that I'll never do it, ever, because of how it affects retention.

> Obviously once your company is large enough it's different but for small teams/companies it is an important factor.

Most of my clients have been small to medium sized, and I see the cost tip in teams with as few as 3-4 people at times.

Re:Dropbox saved almost $75M over two years by moving out of... by sedachv on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:35PM (#16460709)
> By spreading the load across the dev team I can automatically get a high bus factor and 24/7 hour on-call rotation.

This assertion supports what vidarh wrote. What you wrote has nothing to do with DevOps or software or engineering - what you are really saying is that you are saving money by coercing your developers into working two jobs at the same time. I have been in this position as a developer at a company where we had on-call rotations. This is a false economy and a quick way to increase stress, alienate employees, and increase turnover. Infrastructure tasks get neglected and are performed poorly because those tasks are now just necessary distractions to the main workload of feature development, to be gotten over with as quickly as possible. A lot of things get overlooked because no one "owns" areas like backups and disaster recovery.