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Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mc32 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @12:18PM (#16454195)
I'm hoping they, or someone succeeds, and I think the market will develop.

In addition to carbon emissions reduction, the most immediate benefit is a godly reduction in noise pollution. In SF we have these bastards who love nothing more than to rev up their engines and make noise, on residential streets, at night. I so loathe that aspect of bikers.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by jacobolus on Saturday February 24, 2018 @01:16PM (#16454489)
From what I understand those loud motorcycles have illegally modified exhaust systems.

I would love it if police would pull people over for their loud motorcycles, check that the system hadn't been tampered with, and if not seize them and revoke the rider's motorcycle license... probably not going to happen though.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by rconti on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:02PM (#16456701)
Harley owners groups even distribute guides as to which areas are 'unfriendly' towards them (eg, actually care about excessive noise).

As a rider, I can't want until Harley crashes and burns. Ungodly loud and ungodly TERRIBLE sounding machines. I only wish I could afford a Ducati but at least a Duc with Termis sounds GOOD in addition to pissing everyone off. I don't know why anybody would want to ride what sounds like a flatulent cow.

And their riders' need to go wide open throttle at low revs any time they see someone within earshot they think they might be able to 'impress' just murders any desire I have to ever ride one.

I can't say for sure I won't find myself being drawn to a 'cruiser' style motorcycle at some point in life. But I can say for sure that I will never, ever want to associate myself with that particular brand.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by gkanai on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:08PM (#16456720)
From a non-rider's perspective, the difference between a loud Harley and a loud Ducati is the same- both obnoxious. Only riders would be able to tell the difference.

Harley has made racebikes in the past, both flat track as well as track bikes. Although yes, they are known for their cruisers.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by rconti on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:10PM (#16456731)
One sounds like a fart.

Agreed, though, of course many people find any loud vehicle annoying. I've seen the occasional ricer banging their R6 off the rev limiter at the gas station. The difference is, the loud sportbike is gone in the blink of an eye. The loud Harley rider feels the need to 'show off' in every 30mph pedestrian zone they can find.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by ficklepickle on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:36PM (#16456816)
Harley motors are designed to be loud. They are called "thumpers" because both pistons are at top dead center at the same time, therefore they both fire at the same time. This also causes massive vibration. Very inefficient and lame IMO.
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by qbrass on Sunday February 25, 2018 @03:40AM (#16457895)
They don't. It's a 45 degree vee with a common crank pin. The front cylinder fires, the crank rotates 315 degrees before the rear cylinder fires, then the crank rotates 405 degrees before the first cylinder fires again.

The 90 degree difference between firing pulses is what makes the engine shake and sound the way it does.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mc32 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @01:48PM (#16454628)
I wish the supes would push some quality of life ordinances, kind of like the ones Mirakami passed for the panhandle to deal with the druggies on Haight, but most supes don't seem to care.
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mechhrt on Saturday February 24, 2018 @01:06PM (#16454441)
Sure you hate it but the riders/consumers love it and that's another reason that electric bikes will fail.
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by brett40324 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @02:09PM (#16454729)
"In SF we have these bastards who love nothing more than to rev up their engines and make noise, on residential streets, at night."

This is pretty much everywhere in the US. Aside from local ordinances, there is nothing you can do about. To call people bastards for a loud bike is one thing, but have you ever heard 'loud pipes save lives'?

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mc32 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @02:16PM (#16454757)
On the highway, that's fine, on busy streets, that's fine. I get it. On quiet residential streets, at night, it's being a selfish prick. Normal bikers accelerate and are heard but aren't overly noisy. These other people on the other hand intentionally want to be annoyingly overly loud.

The sequence is, slow for a stop sign or intersection, full throttle, then heavy breaking for the next block, full throttle, mind you, modified, again. It's infuriatingly annoying.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by brett40324 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @02:35PM (#16454861)
Agreed. The problem I see with similar comments here about noise and the character of these (fair to say overly obnoxious) riders, and how it affects your life, is that the same can be said of All of other loud vehicles. It's like complaining about the character of people with too loud of music blaring. They like it loud. They're different than you. This is America, where it's loud, and youre free to be loud too. This coming from someone who is especially sensitive and irritated by noises Im not making myself.
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mikeash on Saturday February 24, 2018 @05:10PM (#16455733)
All loud vehicles piss me off, and so do people who play music too loud. Your right to be loud stops at my ears.

“Loud pipes save lives” is ridiculous. If you need to be irritatingly loud to be safe then your hobby is too dangerous.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by nitrogen on Saturday February 24, 2018 @06:11PM (#16456036)
Your right to be loud stops at my ears.

I wish soundproofing standards for buildings were much higher.

Apartment listings only ever focus on just one of the major senses, vision. They make sure the photos look good with prop furniture and just the right lighting. But the experience of actually living in a place involves all of the senses.

I would love to see an apartment listing saying "60dBA soundproofing", "99.9% odor isolation", etc. All of the senses matter.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by cma on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:03PM (#16457051)
That would still mean you can't enjoy balconies.
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by nitrogen on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:46AM (#16457349)
I used to want a balcony until I lived across from a building with balconies. Especially during summer, there's always someone having a loud party until late at night, and it's a different unit every time so harder to enforce noise limits and clean air smoking bans. So the downside of balconies is you have to share noise/airspace with everyone else with a balcony.
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Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by dang on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:33PM (#16460694)
This sort of uncivil comment will get your account banned on HN. Please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by mikeash on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:07PM (#16456280)
Rather than making me move, why don’t you take your loud activities to the desert?
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by kalleboo on Sunday February 25, 2018 @06:59AM (#16458493)
> This is America, where it's loud, and youre free to be loud too.

I'm in Japan and have the same problem with kids with modified exhausts being loud in quiet neighborhoods. This is Japan, where people are NOT loud, and it's even forbidden to talk on the phone on a train or bus.

Assholes are assholes around the world.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by Angostura on Sunday February 25, 2018 @04:13AM (#16458007)
That's not how it works, unfortunately. In a society, you have the right to be loud. You don't have the right to infringe on someone else's right of quiet enjoyment. It’s also common courtesy. Noise pollution is a real problem and it is pollution
Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by wolrah on Saturday February 24, 2018 @06:42PM (#16456176)
> have you ever heard 'loud pipes save lives'?

Yes I have, and it's complete and total nonsense.

Here are a few good articles on the subject: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/stop-saying-loud-pipes... https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/07/29/the-truth-about-loud-...

tl;dr version is that basic physics says most of that noise goes backwards, so while a driver may be more likely to notice a louder bike the majority of the increased noise is going in exactly the wrong direction to be useful.

It's a bogus claim made by people trying to justify their annoying exhaust choices.

You'll note that the people who tend to be most vocal about "loud pipes save lives" also tend to be the ones wearing little to no gear and/or riding like jerks. We're not talking about the most safety conscious people out there.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by bcook on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:11PM (#16456732)
As someone who drives an ATV on gravel backroads, with drunk assholes in automobiles, I completely disagree. After a few obviously intoxicated (on alcohol, and/or pills, and/or unknown, because they told me...) people commenting that they heard me coming around a blind curve because I would floor it for a split second to announce myself, I will contine to appropriately be loud. This not only applies to backroads but especially 1-track offroad trails where people on horses will hear me and be able to prepare ~45 seconds before I arrive at my slow, but dangerously deaf, speed (because of my helmet).

Though, I am a very considerate and conservative rider, whose default is to putter along and disturb as little as possible, especially around humans but I try to respect nature as well. Harleys... yeah, I mostly agree with you.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by cma on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:02PM (#16457045)
> but have you ever heard 'loud pipes save lives'?

Then by doing it to show off at red lights etc. they are taking lives by putting loud pipes in constant legal jeopardy.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by chrisbennet on Sunday February 25, 2018 @06:52AM (#16458477)
”but have you ever heard 'loud pipes save lives'?”

When the riders who use that phrase don’t wear helmets (and they usually don’t), it seems more than a little insincere.

Re:Harley Davidson’s EV debut could electrify the motorcycle... by Angostura on Sunday February 25, 2018 @04:11AM (#16457997)
It’s odd. In the U.K., hearing loud motorbikes is pretty rare, apart from the occassional 16 year old. Different cultural traditions, I guess.