There is no Nissan specific charging network. The rest of the industry besides Tesla have long since settled on standards for charging and the presence of regular charging stations is improving but slowly.

A large part of why is that up til this generation of EVs (Chevy Bolt and new Nissan Leaf and others that are coming), they have really not made sense to drive far. You would have had to stop too often. They were in town or short (sub 30 miles) commute cars.

And having owned the previous generation Leaf for the last 3 years I can tell you 99% of our charging is done in our garage. Once in a while we park somewhere that has charging or my wife will luck into getting a charge spot in a parking garage. But we don’t take it on drives where we need a charging station to complete the journey. We have a gas car for those longer drives right now. But that will change with this new generation that have 40KWh+ batteries.

There is an extensive charging network here in Kansas City area; > 2000 plugs. Though as of 1/18 many have started charging $0.20/kWh, which is double the rate at home. I’ll still use them though. Places like grocery stores are still free.

I still wouldn’t leave my car just plugged in somewhere while I walk away for extensive amounts of time. Call me paranoid, but in urban Europe people will steal and vandalise the shit out of anything that looks slightly unprotected.

Help me understand that - leaving your car plugged in while shopping is no different than leaving your gas car not-plugged-in while shopping, in terms of leaving your property around.

The cord is part of the fixed charged, and not my problem ... just like the hose on a gas pump.

You typically can't unplug it without the key while charging.

Thank you for the response--I can see why I was downvoted, but it might have been a bit of a mystery without understanding how the charging networks work.

I really dislike this focus on charging networks. Long distance trips with current generation electrics is not comparable to current petrol powered cars. If anything we should use the roll out of electrics to take back land to service cars which includes "charging stations" other than those already used for parking cars.

with regards to my trip comment, the contorted thought processes people go through to justify one hour stops for full recharges plus what can be ten to fifteen minute side trips to charging stations should clue many in on how not ready it is. (and yes it is an hour if not more even for Tesla to fully charge and range dives in winter)

>the contorted thought processes people go through to justify one hour stops for full recharges

But everybody knows you need to stop a full hour to pee for every two hours of driving else you might die. Think about all the delicious restaurant meals and fun you haven't had because you never needed to wait for your ICE car to recharge in the middle of nowhere.

Most people I know stop 15 minutes every two hours and maybe stop for a meal every 4 hours. An hour every two hours is too much. It extends the travel time by 50%.

My old rule for long drives was to drive for 3 CDs (i.e. albums), fuel up for 10 minutes, and repeat until done. On a highway, that's 200+ miles per 10-minute stop. EVs are already great for commuting and errands, but they have a long way to go before being even close to competitive for long-distance driving.

And yet lots of Tesla owners drive long distances.

Do they? How long does it take them? At 3 hours per 200 miles, 12 hours is 800 miles. Maybe you don't live in the western US, but it's a big place. If every gas station had a super-charger, range anxiety would be almost a non-issue, and travel time would be a noticeable but not intolerable problem, but we're a long ways from that.

EDIT, because HN sucks...

70 MPH * 3 hours = 210 miles. You might want to talk to some normal humans who don't frequent superchargers.

I happen to live in the western US. I run into tons of other Tesla owners at superchargers, not surprisingly.

The usual drill is to drive around 120 miles and then stop for 10-15 minutes to supercharge. So yes, that is a bit more stopping that I used to do.

Tesla has a trip planner at tesla.com/supercharger

For Palo Alto to SpaceX's factory, it recommends stopping for 50 minutes in Kettleman, which means you're charging for 13% of the trip time.

{Sorry about the comment about 3 hours to go 200 miles, I misread what you said as taking what Shivyeta said about stopping for an hour to charge at face value. Oh, and why do you think that insulting me is an appropriate response?}

> Oh, and why do you think that insulting me is an appropriate response?

Yeah, that was probably snarkier than necessary. But we increasingly live in our own little bubbles, and "folks hanging around the supercharger" is definitely a small one.

My purpose for mentioning that was to say that I'm not the only Tesla owner who takes long trips. It was directly relevant to my point.

Wow. I know I'm late but... WOOSH?

The same as the Tesla's charging network, since they are compatible...

Teslas can use the other chargers, but no-one except Tesla can use the Superchargers

Are you sure leafs can use superchargers? That doesn’t seem correct at all.

I’m not sure what other charging network i would refer to.

You can use all non-tesla fast-charging stations, charging to 80% in 20 minutes. Do note that tesla supercharger stations also have "normal" fast-charging stations. Tesla is the only company remaining to deploy vendor-specific chargers.

Interesting that while we tend to beat on the standards drum in HN, Tesla might get a pass ...

Tesla released their patents on charging back in 2014 in the hopes that others would adopt their tech: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you

Have you seen Tesla's charging connector? It's way superior to the bulky standardized connectors. And as said by others, there really is no other game in town right now for long distance travel in an EV.

Disclosure: I own a Tesla Model S.

I don't think it's entirely fair to expect Tesla to _wait_ for the rest of the car industry to agree on a standard that suits everyone. When the Model S was developed, no other car company except Nissan had any notable interest in electric cars, and no other company had plans to make cars even _close_ to Tesla's in terms of battery capacity.

Assuming that a charger network was necessary for success, which I would argue it was, waiting for the others to catch up could have killed the company.

Note that there have still been no large-scale deployments of charging standards with more than 50-60kW of power, which is half what Tesla is currently deploying to most of its charging stations in North America.

They don't even have to wait for an open standard, they could make their proprietary system one.

Tesla offered their implementation to all car manufacturers, including access to the Supercharger network, but none took the offer.

Not a Tesla fanboy at all but it's too early right now to settle on standards, it would stifle innovation.

Tesla super charging stations don’t have normal fast charging stations co-located.

Tesla is the only car company which creates large scale charging networks.

In the UK I've never seen a supercharger (though they exist) but lots of car parks at offices, shopping malls, etc, have generic charging points.

BP are adding them on petrol forecourts too.

See this map for example https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/

Superchargers are usually built outside of cities along the long-distance routes. So they might not be as obvious as other chargers. Here is a map of all active superchargers: https://supercharge.info/