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Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by skrebbel on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:46AM (#16428734)
> Basically the message was that serial performance is saturating, and the only way to get speed improvements in the future is going to be by exploiting parallelism.

People have been warning us about this for about 10 years now, but I still don't see those 64-core CPUs I was promised anywhere.

If we had the amount of parallelism we were told we were going to get, we could give every app its own core. OSes could even consider disabling context switches altogether for the majority of apps. Instead, we're left complaining about Electron apps like it matters.

That said, I'm not sure what stagnation you refer to. There's a reason languages like Rust, Elixir/Erlang and Go are getting popular. My PHP app could handle hundreds of concurrent connections on a single machine, my Elixir app handles hundreds of thousands. Yet, processors didn't get 1000x faster (and Elixir isn't even a particularly fast language). This is the opposite of stagnation, it's progress.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by skummetmaelk on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:49AM (#16428748)
They have been here for a while, just for a very specific market.

Threadripper and EPYC exist now though. With 32 and 64 logical cores respectively.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by skrebbel on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:51AM (#16428753)
Sure, there's been high end niche products for anything forever. You could buy a 64 core computer in 1990 (they'd call it a supercomputer, but same thing).

The people telling us we had to go change our code to use parallel processing fast predicted a significantly faster increase in amount-of-cores on commodity hardware. Instead, CPUs stopped getting faster and hardly gained more parallellism.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by pdpi on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:12AM (#16428845)
You could buy a 64 processor machine in 1990, but it wouldn’t have been a 64 core machine in the sense we’re talking about — a single socket system. This isn’t some trivial distinction either, as the whole memory architecture is very different indeed for the two scenarios.
Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by makomk on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:27AM (#16429261)
Even in single-socket configurations, Threadripper and EPYC are still both NUMA architectures - the cores are split across two or four dies, each of which has its own memory controller and memory attached to it, with requests from a core to memory on another die going via an interconnect.
Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by wmf on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @02:14PM (#16432055)
those 64-core CPUs I was promised

The people promising that were crackpots and no one really called them out on it, so that meme got repeated everywhere despite being wrong. Processor vendors can't release a new processor that runs existing apps slower because no one would buy it (not counting monopolistic tactics). And since many existing apps are single-threaded, that means new processors have to at least maintain the same single-threaded performance which means keeping brainiac cores which means you can only afford 6-8 of them. (And arguably there are 64 weak cores in your CPU; they're just in the IGP and you have to program them with OpenCL.)

Go/Rust/Elixir are not so much progress IMO as undoing the negative progress of writing large-scale software in scripting languages.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by marcosdumay on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:53AM (#16428760)
There are plenty of 64 cores servers. Yet, multi-core architectures seem to have hit a wall caused by slow memory access.

I'm still waiting for the massively parallel NUMA machine in a chip, but there are many manufacturing problems keeping those away.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by monocasa on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:20AM (#16429209)
And hit a wall for power/density.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_silicon

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by pjc50 on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:05AM (#16428807)
If you can find an Nvidia GTX 1080, that has 2560 cores.
Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by monocasa on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:18AM (#16429195)
They're playing games with the term 'core'.

In CPU terms, a 1080 is 40 cores, each with a 64 way vector unit.

Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by Maybestring on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @09:58AM (#16429870)
I'm surprised they don't sell it as a 40 core, 64-dimensional processor.
Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by kale on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:40AM (#16428992)
Without branching (or with limited branching, last I checked it masked and re-ran instead). A core implies both instruction and data operations, rather than SIMD behavior.
Re:Why has CPU frequency ceased to grow? (2014) by deepnotderp on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @01:51PM (#16431878)
Where "core" ~= vector lane