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Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by wallace_f on Saturday February 17, 2018 @08:12PM (#16403829)
That's terrifying.

At least for the lobster, we're not really sure how they interpret pain. They don't have a brain in the same way the humans do. As a vegetarian, I personally would go back to meat if I just knew my meal had a good life and did not suffer needlessly in order for me to eat it. But for the prisoner, this seems like the worst combination: internalized suffering and externalized indifference... So minimize the the deturrence to crime while maximizing the suffering in society. Isn't this the opposite of how it should be?

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by erric on Sunday February 18, 2018 @11:57AM (#16406903)
The latest Hardcore History episode is called "Painfotainment", where Dan Carlin describes the history of executions and shows how they were not only a form of punishment but a large source of entertainment as well; from pre-history through very modern times. [0] It's not been a very easy episode to consume.

I've always been against the death-penalty because it is: permanent, subject to racial bias/applied un-evenly, performed by incompetent persons/botched, recommended by imperfect evidence, highly linked to religious sacrifice and does nothing to actually deter crime.

As for going back to meat, are you following the vat grown protein farmers?

[0: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-61-blitz-...]

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by ethbro on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:53AM (#16404843)
> internalized suffering and externalized indifference

Didn't we just describe the entire aim of the US prison system?

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by benrbray on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:44PM (#16404149)
Honest question: We don't treat dairy cows particularly well while they're alive (for example), so if you care about animal suffering why are you a vegetarian and not a vegan? I'm neither, for the record.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by wallace_f on Sunday February 18, 2018 @12:12AM (#16404566)
Because doing something is better than nothing.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by wolco on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:02AM (#16404865)
What do you make of the recent science on plants ability to feel and sense?