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Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by discoursism on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:37PM (#16402560)
This is sort of a good point. I hate this behavior on Amazon's part, and I want them to stop. I would like it if the US government compelled them to stop. The bigger thing to me is how they prevent their customers from using Chromecast solely to attempt to hurt their competitors' products. That is anti-competitive behavior, and in a better world, the US government would compel them to allow their users to stream via Chromecast.

However, it's not that big of a deal if Amazon doesn't sell something. You just buy it somewhere else. I did not have any trouble acquiring a Chromecast when I wanted one, and I doubt anyone else did either. Using some kind of antitrust break-up to fix this would be like using a nuclear bomb to hammer in a nail. For a problem like this, a more targeted approach seems better, at least as an initial cut.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by austenallred on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:33PM (#16402842)
It’s also worth noting that Amazon has said as soon as those products support Prime Video apps they’ll allow them back on. It’s perhaps more reasonable that you don’t want to sell productd that are leveraging an anticompetitive position against you. So it’s kind of an antitrust tête-à-tête.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by discoursism on Saturday February 17, 2018 @11:27PM (#16404455)
The products already "support" Prime Video apps. Amazon has just chosen not to create said apps. Amazon's language in this case is proof enough to me of its bad faith. But the point remains that this is a relatively minor case of anti-competitiveness, and I don't think the public interest would be served by breaking the company up.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by wnevets on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:22PM (#16404063)
>It’s also worth noting that Amazon has said as soon as those products support Prime Video apps they’ll allow them back on

source? IIRC amazon claimed it was confusing for its users if they sold the chromecast and their firestick at the same time.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by mikepurvis on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:44PM (#16404145)
Looking at the hundreds of duplicate Marketplace listings for pretty much every product ever, it's hard to get too excited about this argument.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by Buge on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:02AM (#16404701)
Is Google banning Prime Video from using chromecast? I thought chromecast used an open API and anyone could cast to it.

https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/chrome_sender_integr...

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by slumberlust on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:46AM (#16429365)
No, but they have retaliated and blocked youtube on Alexa devices (Echo Show). I know Amazon struck first, but both sides are guilty of the same childish behavior at this point.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by bduerst on Thursday February 22, 2018 @12:23AM (#16435318)
Echo Show violated Youtube's TOS, which is why they withdrew support from Amazon. If Amazon followed the rules and included the channels and subscriber functionality, they could use it like everyone else.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by hueving on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:08PM (#16403020)
What anticompetitive position is being leveraged against Amazon in this case? The chromecast doesn't pretend to be an open marketplace for any apps. Amazon does pretend it's an open marketplace for goods.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by bduerst on Saturday February 17, 2018 @06:20PM (#16403383)
Source? Last I checked, AppleTV has Prime Video and Google is not blocking Amazon from adding Chromecast to Amazon apps. Amazon is choosing not to add the feature.

>But it’s Amazon’s own fault that Prime Video doesn’t work with Chromecast. Amazon has the power to make it happen.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/16738752/google-youtube-a...

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by chrischen on Saturday February 17, 2018 @11:09PM (#16404401)
The Google chromecast store does not allow you to purchase amazon firesticks.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by Buge on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:05AM (#16404716)
And I can't buy Windows laptops at an Apple store. That's because Apple stores only sell Apple products, nothing else. People don't go to an Apple store when they want to buy some arbitrary item. People do go to Amazon when they want to buy an arbitrary item, because Amazon sells almost everything (but not chromecasts).
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by discoursism on Sunday February 18, 2018 @12:10AM (#16404563)
If Amazon only sold Amazon products and accessories for those products, that would be an insightful observation. As it is, I think you're missing that these two stores are different in kind.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by benwilber0 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:38PM (#16403175)
* Google refuses to support Amazon Prime Video on Chromecast.

* Amazon refuses to sell Chromecast devices.

There's nothing really "anti-competitive" going on here. Two consumer tech giants are refusing to support each others' stuff. That's it. Consumers are free to pick one, or both!

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by bduerst on Saturday February 17, 2018 @06:18PM (#16403369)
Chromecast is a feature that you develop on your own apps - i.e. Amazon can add it to their Prime App. Google isn't preventing Amazon Prime from having Chromecast support.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by discoursism on Saturday February 17, 2018 @11:31PM (#16404466)
This is some pretty high level misinformation. Amazon (or anyone) can write apps against the Cast API (https://developers.google.com/cast/). Amazon has just chosen not to.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by refurb on Saturday February 17, 2018 @07:02PM (#16403562)
Yeah I don't get it either. It doesn't impact consumer's ability to get either product.

Would we force Ford dealerships to sell Hondas as well? For Whole Foods to carry Safeway-branded products?

Of course not.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by prklmn on Saturday February 17, 2018 @08:21PM (#16403868)
Your car dealership analogy doesn’t hold any water. Amazon is an “open” marketplace with millions of products, some of which are amazon private label and compete against other third party sellers on Amazon. Amazons track record with this is ugly http://fortune.com/2016/04/20/amazon-copies-merchants/

This is more akin to a scenario if apple were to block Spotify from the App Store because apple provides a competing service to theirs, totally leveraging and abusing their power to diminish competition. It’s hard to argue that not allowing them to sell the physical product on amazon isn’t anti-competitive, regardless if amazon does or doesn’t develop chrome cast capabilities into fire sticks.

This is laughable - >> Both the Apple TV and Chromecast were pulled from Amazon in late 2015. The company’s justification for the move was that consumers would be confused and frustrated if they purchased streaming devices that didn’t offer a direct, convenient way to view Amazon Prime Video content https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/14/16777508/...

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by refurb on Saturday February 17, 2018 @08:49PM (#16403949)
How is Amazon any more an "open" marketplace compared to a grocery store? Because it's online?
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by prklmn on Saturday February 17, 2018 @10:57PM (#16404362)
I would say so, they are not limited to a certain amount of shelf space or square footage like grocery stores are. On average, grocery stores work much more intimately with their vendors than amazon works with theirs (or did, now that they’re breaking into the grocery business).

I was mainly thinking of how an unlimited number of third parties can essentially sell whatever they please on Amazon, unless of course you’re google or apple selling a competing product that doesn’t help amazon achieve their goals for an ancillary service that has nothing to do with their online marketplace. I can’t think of a good analogy to a grocery store scenario.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by fjsolwmv on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:05AM (#16404868)
Amazon calls itself "The Everything Store" and has enough market share that it is legally reasonable to think about if it is a deal facto monopoly governed by antitrust law
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by refurb on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:26PM (#16407355)
Monopoly? There is nothing stopping other companies from selling the same things Amazon does.

Any what is Amazon's share of all retail sales? My understanding it's in the single digit percentages.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by antonvs on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:16PM (#16407662)
Amazon had 4% of US retail sales in 2017, although that's 44% of US online retail sales. Online sales were 9% of retail sales.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by fjsolwmv on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:06AM (#16404869)
Apple policy is in fact to block aps that compete with iOS standard apps, unless the are so popular that apple is forced to concede
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by prklmn on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:19AM (#16406172)
Can you point to anything in particular? I can't find any examples of them doing this recently. I saw something from 2008 but since then they have likely realized they would open themselves up to anticompetitive claims if they continued.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by r3bl on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:40PM (#16403188)
I'm just transferring rumors, but I've read multiple times that Amazon reacted this way after Google blocked YouTube access to Amazon's Echo Show and Fire TV.

Seems like it's a back and forth kind of a thing between the two companies, with users being the ones facing consequences.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by y4mi on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:50PM (#16403233)
Which was blocked (the app) because Amazon distributed it outside of the play store, which is against the TOS iirc.

I believe it's still possible to access YouTube through a browser, but can't test anymore because I flashed lineage os on my Kindle tablet.

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by scarface74 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:01PM (#16402666)
Who do you trust more to do the right thing? Private industry or the government? Lately, it seems like private industry has been more on the side of the Angels than the government. Private industry - especially consumer facing ones - seem to be a lot more accountable to the public than the government.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by austenallred on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:31PM (#16402830)
That’s kind of a weird false dichotomy and the answer is “it depends”
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by scarface74 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:49PM (#16402924)
Not really, once you get the government involved in capitalism, even if it is well meaning, there are always unintended consequences.

But in the real world, would Obama regulate tech companies? Would Trump regulate banks?

Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by fjsolwmv on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:10AM (#16404879)
Read up on how antitrust law and labor law came into existence . The unfettered capitalism you love is actually quite fettered, and many people died for that right.
Re:The case for ending Amazon’s dominance by scarface74 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @08:55AM (#16406079)
Technology moves much faster than regulation. It wasn't the slap on the wrist that MS received that brought down its influence - it was Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon. Especially Apple and Google that made PCs less relevant to most users and developers.

In 2016, the government was in the process of forcing cable companies to allow third party set top boxes. The cable companies fought back, the government dropped the pursuit and guess what? Technology made the need much less relevant.

https://www.recode.net/2017/1/31/14453444/fcc-tv-open-set-to...

Now even though the cable company "won" they loss anyway. They are still losing cable subscribers and companies like DirecTV and Sling came along.

I pay $35 a month for DirecTVNow, get all of the cable channels I care about and in my local market, get all of the OTA channels (NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, and the CW). While the government was fighting the last war - cable set top boxes - the industry had moved on to creating services that let you watch live TV anywhere - on your phone, tablet, internet connected set top boxes, game consoles etc.

While the government was worried about MS unbeatable dominance on the desktop, during the next 10 years, the battle had moved to mobile.