Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by user982 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @04:29PM
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Samsung is South Korean, a US ally and SIGINT partner. Modify the argument to, "the government is saying not to use any phones that are not from the US or its puppet states."
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Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by eridius on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @04:44PM
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Are Huawei and ZTE the only phone manufacturers from a non-SIGINT partner state? That doesn't seem correct. Hell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_phone_makers_by... lists 29 different mobile phone makers in China, 2 of which are Huawei and ZTE, one of which is a subsidiary, leaving 26 independent manufacturers. But the government isn't telling us not to buy e.g. a Xiaomi phone.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by michaelmrose on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @05:11PM
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Which of those other 27 are big enough in the US to be worthy of mention?
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by eridius on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @05:26PM
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How about Xiaomi? Wikipedia says that as of 2017 they're the world's 5th largest smartphone company. I don't know how popular their products are in the US, but I have at least heard of them before (which is more than I can say for ZTE).
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by prklmn on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:16PM
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I’d venture to say 98% of the US population couldn’t tell you if Xiaomi was a tech company or a Chinese food dish.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:29PM
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Considering that the name literally means little rice, they wouldn't be necessarily wrong. (at least it isn't 小蜜, which has a different meaning...)
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by eridius on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:20PM
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That's true of Huawei and ZTE too, and yet the government thought it was worth saying don't buy their phones, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by prklmn on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:34PM
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My point is that Xiaomi phones are not popular in the US, at all. Xiaomi had zero official distribution in the US up until recently when they started selling directly on amazon. ZTE and Hauwei phones have been sold through official distribution channels for a while. ZTE phones are given away or nearly given away for free to every cricket wireless customer.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by free652 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:27PM
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I am more aware of Xiaomi than Hauwei. ZTEs were around, but those are garbage phones. I know that Xiaomi makes phones, smart bands and a smart tv. I literally had no idea what Hauwei was making until I looked up right now.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @06:56AM
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Huawei made one of the Nexus phones.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by ajoy on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @08:03PM
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FYI, Xiaomi is very popular in India, because they offer perceived good value for the cost.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by sbrm1 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:09PM
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Xiaomi now has the largest market share amongst phone manufacturers in India.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:31PM
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Xiaomi has almost zero presence in the US market, you can't get their phones here unless you go via a grey market importer.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by Retric on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:03PM
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Or Amazon.com...
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by ENOTTY on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:26PM
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The witnesses only answered the question in front of them. Sen. Cotton only asked about ZTE, Huawei, China Telecom, and China Unicom, so Director Wray responded only about ZTE and Huawei. This is standard practice when testifying in front of an oversight committee.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by xtrimsky1234 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @08:56PM
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What about OnePlus then? It is a Chinese company, and I'm sure they sell more phones than Huawei.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by s73v3r_ on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @08:02PM
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Calling South Korea a puppet state is quite a stretch.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by jiggunjer on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:00PM
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Even if it was a puppet state, apparently Samsung is above the law there. They are like 70% of its GDP.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by malloryerik on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:13PM
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You're thinking of all of the chaebol/conglomerate companies combined, so Samsung, LG, Hyundae Kia, Posco, Hyundae Heavy Industries, SK Group, CS Group, Lotte, Hanhwa, Hanjin, Kumho Asiana, Doosan, etc., each of which have multiply companies in their portfolios and are serviced by groups of smaller local firms specialized in support for one or a few of the big ships.
But, do they feel above the law? This is certainly a common complaint of South Koreans. These groups are definitely "too big to fail" and they know it. So yes the concentration of power in a few giant firms is remarkable, and not in a good way.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by Clubber on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:08PM
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1/5th of exports, 17% of GDP.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by jiggunjer on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:44PM
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I stand corrected. I shouldn't try to pull statistics from my failing memory anymore. Still big enough to intimidate a government from messing with them.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by praneshp on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:58PM
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> Still big enough to intimidate a government from messing with them
Nope, per recent incidents.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by kurthr on Thursday February 15, 2018 @12:42AM
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Um, well Samsung's president hass been released from jail, but the countrie's last president hasn't...
http://fortune.com/2018/02/05/samsung-j-y-lee-released-south...
I'd say that is a LOT of influence.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by praneshp on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:46AM
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Released from jail necessarily implies the government will "mess" with them.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by jiggunjer on Thursday February 15, 2018 @03:19AM
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An important Samsung person was arrested and promptly released. That is not how a government messes with a company. Tax. Regulations. Things that hurt the bottom line constitute 'messing'.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ...
by emodendroket on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:30PM
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The United States maintains wartime control of the South Korean military (look up OPCON to find news about the topic).