How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software

Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by vxNsr on Monday February 12, 2018 @06:15PM (#16363272)

>The company will continue to update its software annually, but internally engineers will have more discretion to push back features that aren't as polished to the following year.

Let's hope Microsoft follows suit. I would much rather have a product that works the same way every time over one that can do 1000 things half the time.

Hopefully this will also give them time to reconsider some of the more ill-conceived UX choices they've made in recent years. If they'd spent more than 6 months using the iPhone X I doubt it would've been released as is.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by dingo_bat on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:20PM (#16363671)

I don't think Microsoft has a code quality problem at all. On the contrary I'm hard pressed to point at any recent Microsoft software and say it's bug ridden or low quality or badly designed. From iOS to Android to Windows, Microsoft software is excellent.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by vxNsr on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @12:28AM (#16364968)

It could just be because of the totally inconsistent UI across Win10 that I feel like things are more broken than they are...

Also to point to a specific problem, OneNote in iOS takes ages to open and get a note ready, I don't know what it is but it's the only app that takes that long to open.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by foobarbazetc on Monday February 12, 2018 @11:39PM (#16364813)

Still waiting for this ~2 year old bug to get fixed in Edge:

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor...

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by alexkavon on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:49AM (#16365947)

FYI, the latest updates state this is fixed and in the insider builds.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by foobarbazetc on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @02:09PM (#16369799)

It’s “fixed” in that the PM decided to gaslight everyone on that thread by claiming pointer events are what people are asking for.

It’s not. People want working scroll/wheel/touch events. They think the entire web dev world is going to rewrite stuff to support like < 5% of 3.86% of web users. Good luck with that.

Funny how Chrome supports the exact functionality they keep claiming is impossible to support.

Note also that there’s no way to detect Edge with working events vs Edge with a precision trackpad where events aren’t dispatched to the DOM.

God this bug makes me angry.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by dahauns on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @05:28AM (#16366099)

From an enterprise POV, I experience the opposite. We haven't rolled out W10 in production yet, but just looking at the test/key user machines who have it, Windows updates have become markedly worse. A real lottery regarding reliability and stability, no comparison to the past.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by computerex on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:32PM (#16363738)

The constant nagging for updates could be considered a flaw in design. I think Microsoft has always had the reputation of producing buggy software with usability issues. I think they have gotten a lot better at all that.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by arvinsim on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:59PM (#16363885)

> The constant nagging for updates could be considered a flaw in design.

That's not a code quality problem.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by dingo_bat on Monday February 12, 2018 @11:36PM (#16364796)

Definitely stuff like NSA-level telemetry and aggressive updates are bothersome. I was talking more from a programming perspective. They seem to put out comparatively bug-free and performant software. Specially on android, I was surprised to observe that Microsoft's apps are generally better designed and more useful than Google's own stuff.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by AlphaSite on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:35PM (#16363760)

I (and most people I know) have had various issues in major widows 10 upgrades.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by dingo_bat on Monday February 12, 2018 @11:38PM (#16364806)

Is that true? Personally I have been very lucky with the Win10 updates. I am really enjoying how the OS is shaping up to be.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by alextooter on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:31AM (#16365607)

Very true.I knew a future trader lost lots of money because she's win10 pc get a update, and she don't know how to deal with it, she couldn't stop it being updating.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by zimpenfish on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @07:39AM (#16366658)

+1 here. The last update stopped a whole bunch of games from running and has caused Minecraft's FPS to chop like there's no tomorrow.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by lostmsu on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:19AM (#16365791)

I dunno, Skype is pretty miserable right now.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by toyg on Monday February 12, 2018 @08:12PM (#16363956)

> badly designed

Teams. Whoever thought a Slack clone needed threads, should never work in a UX team ever again.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by skellera on Monday February 12, 2018 @10:39PM (#16364547)

Not being searchable is my biggest complaint. Just quicker to ask again sometimes.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by dpark on Monday February 12, 2018 @11:27PM (#16364750)

> Whoever thought a Slack clone needed threads

Slack has threads that are (in my biased opinion[1]) way worse than Teams threading. I used to use Slack and currently use Teams. They each have their pros and cons but Slack threading was terrible.

[1] Microsoft employee

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by danielrhodes on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @12:35AM (#16364988)

Outlook for Mac crashes every time I try to create an appointment. I have to use a combination of the Office 365 and the desktop version because they don’t have overlapping features. I am perhaps prone to hyperbole, but it’s amateur hour in Redmond.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by mschuster91 on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:11AM (#16365528)

I have to use OWA (outlook exchange webapp) for search because MS decided to use Spotlight for search - which I have disabled as it is a massive CPU, battery and RAM hog.

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Re:How Apple Plans to Root Out Bugs, Revamp iPhone Software by megaman22 on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:28PM (#16363715)

Have they fixed the issues with the Fall Creator Update of Windows 10 yet? It basically bricked every workstation that we let update to it, and we had to wipe them and put LTSB on to get back to work.

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