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Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by hamandcheese on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:58PM (#16362057)
If you volunteer your data to Facebook I have a hard time considering you to have been “exploited.”
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by tschwimmer on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:11PM (#16362200)
I don't have a strong position on the broader issue, but I feel like this argument ignores some context. It's one thing to sign up for your local car wash's loyal program and have them do some lightweight customer research on the data. It's quite another for to input your demographic info and interests into a social networking site and have it be analyzed by some of the most sophisticated data analytics in history. The potential downside/cost to the user is orders of magnitude larger. I think it's a stretch to say the user is giving informed consent to (for example) have their manual photo tagging be used to train a model so that a computer can identify their friend's faces automatically. The average user has no idea such a thing is even possible.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by freeone3000 on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:03PM (#16362749)
So your problem with data mining is that they're too good at it? What happens when AI gets commoditized, and your car wash gets those analytics as part of their Azure subscription? Are they suddenly no longer allowed to use the data you gave them previously? This isn't consistent, and the line is nowhere near clear.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by franciscop on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:40PM (#16363043)
Of course they are only allowed to use the data for the purpose you gave it to them. How does that not make sense?
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by s73v3r_ on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:01PM (#16362103)
I have a hard time considering it "voluteering" considering other people can put data about me up on Facebook and I have no recourse.

Further, I fail to see why "voluntering" it is relevant at all.

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by Grollicus on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:39PM (#16362512)
Actually that's a reason why we need laws like GDPR: I don't have an Facebook account but random websites I visit still have elements embedded from Facebook. I've never agreed for Facebook to store my data but they can only give their word they won't collect my data (which, AFAIK, they don't give).

I've got no recourse against this - or maybe I have because Facebook is big enough that it's worth it to create targeted block lists. But against the next 20 smaller companies who do the same?

This is why there needs to be something else than just blindly trusting everyone out there. Because someone will not play fair if theres a competitive edge to gain.

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by jimnotgym on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:05PM (#16362151)
They allow users on from the age of 13. It is rather unclear to some children that they are consenting to mass surveillance, rather than just trying to fit in with their friends
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by denzil_correa on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:24PM (#16362354)
You can't claim "Caveat Emptor" when you have no means to know what is happening with your information.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by lima on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:00PM (#16362087)
If only! Facebook collects plenty of data about non-members.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by ajobaccount2017 on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @01:31AM (#16365182)
My usage isn't voluntary. I am pressured. There are friends I can't reach other ways.