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Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by masklinn on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:13PM (#16361113)
> PS: Mostly thanks to Bandcamp.com music torrenting is completely dead for me.

Seconded. My music search these days is

    Find interesting band
               +
               |
               v               not sure I can
        Is on bandcamp? +-no-> be arsed to even
               +               check torrents
               |
              yes
               |
               v
           buy entire 
         discography on
            bandcamp
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by djsumdog on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:43PM (#16361390)
I love bandcamp. It only takes 10% to 15%, unlike Apple/Google/Amazon which take >= 30% from artists.

Really I prefer buying CDs at shows. Artists usually get to buy CDs from their own labels for $1 each, where if you buy it on Amazon/iTunes, they have to pay their label back for the recording costs, so they get like $0 until they hit some number (usually a few thousand). So if I buy a CD for $12, they're probably getting at least $10 of that.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Semaphor on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:53PM (#16361470)
To be fair, most bands I but from don't have the "problem" of having a label to worry about ;)
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by thirdsun on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @02:27AM (#16365353)
I'm so tired of this evil label narrative. It's unfair to reduce them to those 5 major labels.

Particularly on Bandcamp there are countless small, honest labels that act as a curator and really help to develop their artists while taking a fair cut. Being featured on one of them is a huge opportunity for most artists.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Semaphor on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @06:01AM (#16366212)
I make it easy for myself. Any label that's a member of RIAA of IFPI is evil, the others I throw money at.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by thirdsun on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @07:58AM (#16366765)
A very simplified view.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Semaphor on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @03:32AM (#16374378)
As I said, I'm making it easy for myself.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by arximboldi on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:13PM (#16361633)
Torrents don't really work for music. Soulseek is your friend there, super old-school but great community and it has basically everything.

I also buy almost everything I find on Bandcamp. Excepting those über-hipster techno artists with 100-copies vinyl-only releases (but those you can usually still find rips on Soulseek.)

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Semaphor on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @06:05AM (#16366230)
Before there even was Bandcamp, there was Oink's Pink Palace [0], not only one of the best sources for music (NiN's Trent Reznor was a member & user of the site), some (lesser known) artists even released music exclusively on OiNK.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink's_Pink_Palace

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by adjagu on Thursday February 15, 2018 @04:19AM (#16382774)
To add to your comment is the interview of Trent Reznor and Saul Williams from 2007 [1].

Begin excerpt from said interview:

What do you think about OiNK being shut down?

Trent: I'll admit I had an account there and frequented it quite often. At the end of the day, what made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store. Pretty much anything you could ever imagine, it was there, and it was there in the format you wanted.

If OiNK cost anything, I would certainly have paid, but there isn't the equivalent of that in the retail space right now. iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc.

Amazon has potential, but none of them get around the issue of pre-release leaks. And that's what's such a difficult puzzle at the moment. If your favorite band in the world has a leaked record out, do you listen to it or do you not listen to it?

People on those boards, they're grateful for the person that uploaded it — they're the hero. They're not stealing it because they're going to make money off of it; they're stealing it because they love the band. I'm not saying that I think OiNK is morally correct, but I do know that it existed because it filled a void of what people want.

Cease excerpt from said interview.

Flash forward 11 years and there still isn't a legal alternative to OiNK' Pink Palace (OPP) that can hold a candle to it. I love music, but the music that I love I can not find on any streaming service.

The bands I like are old enough that they are no longer touring or producing music and since I can not find any of their "old" songs on any (legal) streaming or downloading sites I am left with zero options to support the bands I personally like.

[1]: https://www.vulture.com/2007/10/trent_reznor_and_saul_willia...

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by SSLy on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:01PM (#16362096)
>Torrents don't really work for music.

Redacted has almost anything that's not the most obscure of the underground.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by senorjazz on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:27PM (#16361763)
+1 for soulseek. I still boot it up quite a bit, no where near what I used to, but still quite regularly.

Although for the more obscure things, youtube-dl is #1 where soulseek fails

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by liviu- on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @07:31AM (#16366611)
>Torrents don't really work for music

How come? I know What.CD closed down, but I remember that RuTracker had quite a large selection of high-fidelity music records.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by ehsankia on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:42PM (#16361384)
Oh the other hand, if it's on iTunes it's almost an instant piracy. Not only you can't buy it without installing a huge application, you can't even preview it either.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Nition on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:16PM (#16362258)
Can anyone speculate on why Apple has never made iTunes purchasing available as an online store? It's the prospect of installing iTunes that keeps me away as well.

I've used Google Play when I couldn't find something on Bandcamp because it lets me purchase and download the album in a browser. But even then you have to have an account.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by thomastjeffery on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:42PM (#16363059)
It's all part of their one-size-fits-all approach.

They want to make sure everyone uses their software that runs on their overpriced hardware, and DRM is yet another way to enforce that.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by merb on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:42PM (#16362536)
well to be fair iTunes isn't as bad as it is on windows. granted it was better when I started using a mac. around ~10.9 but I regulary buy music there. it's simple and iTunes is fast on mac and I like how it organizes music.

but yeah I never liked it/like it on windows.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by floatboth on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @09:17AM (#16367246)
I never had an issue with it on Windows. Recently, they even added HiDPI support!
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by dijit on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:38PM (#16361350)
I was this way with iTunes for a long time.

iTunes successfully turned me off pirating music, why would I do it when I can pay 99p for a song and have all the metadata correct, including album art, perfectly synced to all my devices in perpetuity? And no DRM means I can play them on my non-apple/iTunes devices and media players.. great!

Well, unfortunately I want to own my music, so I don't like to use streaming services and there was an issue[0] with some music going missing. So for as long as apple are pushing their subscription model so hard I'm going to go back to ripping from youtube or downloading FLAC torrents and converting them myself.

(sorry, I'm a little bitter that the entire UX around apple's media player changed to push this bullshit so hard)

[0] https://blog.dijit.sh/importance-of-self-hosted-backups

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by floatboth on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @09:17AM (#16367241)
> all the metadata correct, including album art

https://picard.musicbrainz.org/

I even… buy music on iTunes… and overwrite all of their metadata with MusicBrainz's.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by mixmastamyk on Monday February 19, 2018 @10:05PM (#16417535)
Why, is it better?
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by ghaff on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:30PM (#16361782)
Not sure I understand why, if you want to own your music, you don't just ignore the premium streaming services and continue to buy what you want. I admittedly have a big library and am generally less interested in a lot of newer music but I currently just have the "free" streaming Amazon Prime service and just buy anything in particular I want.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by dijit on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:00PM (#16362721)
Amazon prime does not operate where I live (Sweden) and buying has a lot more friction than it used to.

I haven't tried bandcamp but iTunes is annoying for me today. Features like the "complete my album" and recommendations no longer exist except inside Apple Music.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Semaphor on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:17PM (#16361147)
Heh. Pretty much exactly like that for me :)