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Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by nly on Sunday February 11, 2018 @03:37PM (#16354650)
Always blows my mind that US citizens can only contribute a meager $5,500/yr to a pension for tax relief purposes.

In the UK you can contribute 100% of your gross annual income every year, and get full tax relief up to the lifetime contribution limit of £1M ($1.38M).

We also have tax free savings & investment wrappers, called ISAs, in which you can deposit $28,000/yr, and within which all growth is free of any kind of tax.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by fma on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:00PM (#16354773)
At the same time the GOP had considered capping the tax deferred part to $2,400 to offset the money lost from tax cuts given to corporations and the wealthy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/401k-retirement-savings-gop-t...

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by harryh on Sunday February 11, 2018 @03:44PM (#16354699)
You can contribute more if you have access to a 401k. The current limit there is $18,500.

The argument against unlimited tax free contributions is that above a certain point it becomes a tax break only for the rich.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by nly on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:11PM (#16354823)
> The argument against unlimited tax free contributions is that above a certain point it becomes a tax break only for the rich.

That's where the lifetime cap comes in I guess. £1M isn't that crazy over a ~40 year timeframe for someone on a high income who isn't necessarily 'rich' and, at current annuity rates, won't buy you absolute luxury in retirement.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by mancerayder on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:03PM (#16354787)
Right, and oftentimes (but not always, anymore) companies contribute to your 401k as well.

Also, as a self-employed person you can contribute up to $55,000 in the year depending on your income, in what's called a SEP IRA.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by loeg on Sunday February 11, 2018 @06:31PM (#16355443)
Self-employed persons can also contribute to a Solo (or "Individual") 401(k), which has slightly more generous contribution limits as a percentage of self-employed income.

And some W-2 employees can contribute up to $55,000 in their employer 401(k) as well via "after-tax" contributions.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by mancerayder on Sunday February 11, 2018 @08:42PM (#16355950)
And some W-2 employees can contribute up to $55,000 in their employer 401(k) as well via "after-tax" contributions.

Can you elaborate?

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by loeg on Sunday February 11, 2018 @09:01PM (#16356021)
Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by nly on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:06PM (#16354807)
The SEP IRA sounds like the equivalent to a SIPP in the UK, basically a DIY pension, although there's no requirement on you having to be self-employed to get one.
Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by jogjayr on Monday February 12, 2018 @01:55AM (#16357019)
> You can contribute more if you have access to a 401k. The current limit there is $18,500.

What's the argument for having two different tiers of retirement accounts? Just let everyone contribute $18k to an IRA and end 401Ks entirely. The selection of funds in most company 401K plans is meager and the funds are expensive because the contributors are, in effect, a captive market.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by harryh on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:38AM (#16358211)
As far as I can tell there is no good reason and it's an artifact of a somewhat confused legislative process. I definitely think the US system of tax deferred retirement accounts could be simplified significantly.

I do think there is some advantage to the fact that it's possible to have a portion of one's paycheck go directly to a 401k without ever hitting your bank account. You can't currently do that with an IRA. It seems like that could be fixed though.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by lotsofpulp on Monday February 12, 2018 @06:06PM (#16363211)
The simplest and in my opinion, the likeliest explanation, is that it gives large employers who can afford to offer 401k another advantage over smaller employers. Just like being able to offer tax exempt health insurance.

It gets even stupider when you realize that IRAs have limits on deductibility when your spouse has access to 401k, but you don't.

Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by IshKebab on Sunday February 11, 2018 @05:12PM (#16355127)
That £1m limit keeps going down...
Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by nly on Monday February 12, 2018 @02:11PM (#16361099)
Right, but you get tax rebates up front, so if it goes down next year it won't effect any funds you have already put in the hole.
Re:Insider trading has been rife on Wall Street, academics c... by tonyedgecombe on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:50AM (#16357855)
I expect the higher rate tax relief will go soon as well.