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Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by andr on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:48AM (#16341691)
Of course it's not meant for IoT. It's written in Java, has the whole ternary nonsense going, and uses custom crypto, which would be really slow to implement, compared to hardware-accelerated RSA or AES most cheap embedded chips have nowadays.

I, for one, am excited for the moment a cryptocurrency arrives that is actually usable for its supposed use. Every time someone claims to be a cryptocurrency for X (be it file sharing, IoT, attention, etc.), X is really just speculation.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by abrkn on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:49AM (#16341702)
They've had some other scandals too! "Emptied IOTA Wallets: Hackers Steal Millions Using Malicious Seed Generators"[1]

[1] https://www.ccn.com/a-number-of-iota-wallets-emptied-by-hack...

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by elevaet on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:06PM (#16343421)
Well that's what happens with any digital currency if you share your private key with a malicious party.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by gsich on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:58PM (#16342342)
That's not IOTAs fault.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by bjl on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:04PM (#16342408)
It kind of is, since this functionality should've shipped with the wallet, like it does with every other crypto.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by generalizethis on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:38PM (#16343632)
They've never been focused on P2P and have made that clear to users--obviously they didn't hear, "Be your own bank." when that was said.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by davidgerard on Saturday February 10, 2018 @07:56AM (#16347111)
It kind of is, given they put a link to it in their subreddit's sidebar.

The key problem is that IOTA's incompetence is pervasive. e.g. https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1...

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by izelkay on Sunday February 11, 2018 @11:58AM (#16353433)
That is a blatant lie. No malicious online seed generator has EVER been in the sidebar on /r/IOTA. In fact, the lead moderator warned months ago not to use the iotaseed generator.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by shepardrtc on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:17PM (#16342516)
Ripple, for cross-border payments. Already in use by several banks, Moneygram, LianLian, Western Union is rumored as well. Bank of England is a customer, a few other central banks are rumored to be getting into it. They have several pieces of software, all of which lead to using their cryptocurrency XRP.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by andr on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:58PM (#16342913)
The Bank of England is not a customer of Ripple. Their fintech accelerator used Ripple for a proof of concept, which "was a useful exercise to develop the Bank’s understanding of synchronisation and possible technical solutions.".

No bank would use such a volatile currency for payments, for obvious reasons. If someone ends up using a technology based on the Ripple codebase, that's another story, but it is more like company X hiring the people behind Ripple for a consulting gig, then company X betting their fortunes on XRP.

IOTA also claimed to have a partnership Microsoft, when in fact it turned out they used Azure for hosting. The lack of any journalistic standards in cryptocurrencies is a huge issue.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by shepardrtc on Saturday February 10, 2018 @09:54AM (#16347519)
How many other cryptos did they do a Poc with?

Ignoring BoE, Ripple's customers that are using XRP in production are:

Moneygram, Cuallix, Mercury FX, and IDT.

There are also 100 customers using xCurrent (the pre-XRP product that's used to transfer fiat). Upgrading to xRapid would increase the speed and decrease the costs of such transfer, so I imagine there will a conversion of some of those 100 customers to using xRapid, and thus, XRP.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by xmly on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:00PM (#16342925)
Ripple is totally centralized. There is no better to use Ripple than a centralized any database.

Ripple is just a old fashion money-wiring business, but uses the XRP as internal booking Symbol.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by shepardrtc on Saturday February 10, 2018 @09:47AM (#16347481)
> Ripple is totally centralized

You are completely wrong. Ripple is decentralized by way of validation of transactions done through their distributed consensus protocol, which is done through validator nodes sitting across the world at places like MIT and Microsoft.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by JohnJamesRambo on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:18PM (#16341974)
Have you looked into Stellar Lumens? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it and if it fits your requirement of being usable for its supposed use. It seems so on the surface to me, but I don't know what the look under the hood reveals.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by dangero on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:29PM (#16342073)
Stellar Lumens make sense. They have a small burn fee to limit network spam and their consensus algorithm is partially centralized through node federation, but it's a reasonable tradeoff used to achieve low cost, high throughput. This means it can work well in mobile environments, etc.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by andr on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:53PM (#16342871)
If I was to fork a cryptocurrency codebase, I would start with Stellar. Their architecture and code quality are probably the best out there.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by koonsolo on Friday February 09, 2018 @04:48PM (#16344124)
> I, for one, am excited for the moment a cryptocurrency arrives that is actually usable for its supposed use.

Well, I have this feeling with Nano. Intstant, free and scalable transactions. The first 2 are definitely there. The last one looks promising, and some load tests for that are scheduled.

That the entire network should be able to handle 7000 tps with the power of a single windmill is also cool.

To me, this is potentially the internet money that was promised with bitcoin.

I noticed sometimes these posts get downvoted, so here is an interview with the main developer. Decide for yourself: https://youtu.be/hAy4GDV7tvQ

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by ac29 on Saturday February 10, 2018 @08:26AM (#16347201)
>I noticed sometimes these posts get downvoted

If you wonder why people are downvoting you, its because at least this post reads like you are promoting some random cryptocurrency here and you haven't even bothered to say whether you have a vested interest in it succeeding (because you hold coins or otherwise).

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by koonsolo on Saturday February 10, 2018 @02:50PM (#16349188)
Yes, I also own those coins.

I guess if someone is interested incrypto and talks positive about a certain coin, there is a 99.99% chance they own it.

I never saw this requirement with companies though. "My macbook is great because of x and y". Let's downvote him because he probably owns Apple stocks without telling.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by dsgriffin on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:55AM (#16341758)
Any in particular you think might pull that off?

There's a few I follow (VeChain, Monero, Nano, GET) but like you I find it quite hard to imagine more than a handful that could realistically achieve the aim(s) they've set out to do.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by TeMPOraL on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:49PM (#16342828)
Filecoin is the only one I looked into that seems like it could pan out. Its goal is to be an incentive layer on top of IPFS, that would make mirroring data ("pinning") over that protocol profitable.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by Rhapso on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:21PM (#16342552)
It is actually really frustrating. The Tangle idea is pretty good, but the rest of it is crap. The product is getting such a bad reputation that using the good ideas for a better product later will be hard.
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Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by pavlov on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:01PM (#16342937)
IOTA will require hardware that is customized to operate in trinary and perform IOTA PoW in a fast, energy-efficient manner

This must be the most insane "Internet of Things" project ever. How did they come up with this nonsense?

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by nuttycoin on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:13PM (#16343015)
Is it really that insane? There is already a plethora of companies working with IOTA. No one knows much about the status of JINN due to prospective NDAs that would prevent any sort of chip production deals from becoming public. Companies are actively seeking out the foundation to see how they can become involved, not vice versa.

An IOTA efficient IoT device would simply have a tiny JINN ASIC to perform the PoW necessary to attach a transaction to the tangle.

I will add that I did mis-speak in that sentence. The hardware is not necessarily required, but will make the PoW for IoT devices negligible in terms of both transaction attachment times and energy usage. The tangle is expected to be running smoothly without the coordinator before any adoption of JINN hardware takes place.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by UncleMeat on Friday February 09, 2018 @04:08PM (#16343848)
Yes. If you expect commercial iot products to use unusual custom hardware you are out of your mind.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by nuttycoin on Friday February 09, 2018 @05:37PM (#16344462)
Commercial IoT products will be built to work in the world of IoT. If IOTA becomes the standard method of data and value transfer among IoT devices, manufacturers will implement them. Remember, device manufacturers will only include tiny JINN chips in their devices, nothing more.

You would have probably said the same about bluetooth chips when they first came out.

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by elevaet on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:12PM (#16343463)
Trinary logic hardware will perform better for the PoW in low energy environments, which is extremely important for IoT. It's either ambitious and visionary, or else insane. Personally I think it's the former, cutting edge technology always seems insane until it doesn't. Time will be the judge.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday February 09, 2018 @06:14PM (#16344649)
They've never actually shown that trinary logic hardware will work better in low energy environments. CMOS transistors can be very efficient at switching, but waste power like hell if used at intermediate voltages. You REALLY don't want to be running your MOSFETs in the triode region. Which leaves the option of making trinary logic out of bi-state FETs, which requires extra die area and wastes power, or inventing an entirely new process/transistor type that is more efficient than modern CMOS and happens to be trinary... Good luck with that.
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by jabronij on Friday February 09, 2018 @06:21PM (#16344689)
Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday February 09, 2018 @07:38PM (#16345082)
I'm aware of that. I don't really see the relevance to modern semiconductor engineering for cryptographic applications though. Differences in radix economy are typically only significant for very small numbers, far smaller than those used in cryptography. The decrease in number of required transistors is rapidly overwhelmed by the increased voltages required to discriminate between states and the resistive (heat) losses incurred by having a mid-valued state. If IOTA were a cryptocurrency for vacuum tubes where the power use is dominated by the cathode heater it might make sense to use trinary. But the last time I checked pretty much every processor around used CMOS FETs...

Edit: Idea! Hipstercoin - Trinary cryptocurrency for tube amplifiers! Play your vinyl and mine for hipstercoins at the same time!

Re:IOTA: Cannot be used for IoT, loss of funds may occur by abrkn on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:12PM (#16343008)
No one knows.