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Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by djaychela on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:00PM (#16319544)
That was like watching a sci fi film when the two cores landed.... I watched it with my mother (who is 80!), and she said it was as significant as the moon landing.

Do we know the fate of the centre core yet?

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by sangnoir on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:14PM (#16319770)
> Do we know the fate of the centre core yet?

I might be reading into something that's not there, but the presenters (I didn't get their names) acted like they received surprising news in thier monitors at 39:03[1] just as they were about to report on the drone ship landing.

Dude: "We've just gotten confirmation..."

Lady: "oh!"

Dude: "Oh"

Lady: "[laughs] We are waiting to hear what happens..."

1. https://youtu.be/wbSwFU6tY1c?t=39m5s

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by aerophilic on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @03:01AM (#16322914)
I think it was the right move, even if they knew then the main core had blown, it is too easy for the naysayers to make that the story. Taking away from the real and powerful narrative SpaceX must tell. That for the first time since the Saturn V we have a rocket powerful enough in active service to take us to the Moon/Mars, at a 1/3 of the price of the next heaviest lifter.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by navls on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @07:15PM (#16321238)
Also, as she starts saying "We are waiting to hear what happens", he says "Scratch that...".
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by ben174 on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @12:15AM (#16322380)
I felt like they were trying to redirect people to the main site for more information. I think the presenters were instructed not to give people more news so they could gain more traffic to their site. Seems like a smart way to gain more interest.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by vpribish on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:49PM (#16322310)
in the background you can see the feed from the drone ship - they see that it comes back on and the smoke is clearing but there's no rocket. They were a bit surprised. :)
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by peterwaller on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:16PM (#16319801)
Of the centre core, these are the last few moments before it is lost from the feed. Smoke can be seen...

https://youtu.be/wbSwFU6tY1c?t=38m20s

... and then back to the presenters. As someone said to me, "That's their lying face!" :)

Can't fault them for wanting to dwell on the positives though, was an amazing moment to watch.

Edit: You can switch cameras on the above youtube video to the countdown net; you can clearly hear them saying "We lost the centre core" at 38m30s - not sure if that means "lost signal of" or otherwise. The people in the control room appear to become more muted at that point, though they still seem composed. It's really not clear.

Edit: On the countdown net you can hear some minutes later "suspected loss of signal": https://youtu.be/-B_tWbjFIGI?t=42m21s

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by dz0ny on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:28PM (#16319964)
Center core lost, announced on internal feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_tWbjFIGI&feature=youtu.be...
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by peterwaller on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:37PM (#16320064)
At this point in that video, some minutes after the loss of signal, you can hear on the countdown net https://youtu.be/-B_tWbjFIGI?t=42m21s - it's garbled but sounds like "Suspected loss of signal".
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by djsumdog on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:49PM (#16320184)
But they also say the insertion was successful. So the payload made it, but they were planning to recover the center and that failed?
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by amckenna on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:10PM (#16320390)
Correct. There were several goals with the launch. The primary was successful payload insertion, the secondary goals were the successful return of the outer two boosters to land, and the central booster to a drone ship down range (success unknown). Additionally the goal was to recover the fairings, but the success of that is not publicly known at this time.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by Timothycquinn on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @07:48PM (#16321388)
According to News Conference: 1) Elon confirmed that the faring recovery was not a goal as they have a new version of the faring in active development which should have a recovery strategy in place. 2) It appears that the center booster was definitely lost. 3) Loss of center booster was best case scenario for loosing one of the three boosters as the outer boosters had really sweet new titanium grid fins.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by Klathmon on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:19PM (#16319842)
Can't fault them for sure, but it's strange for them. SpaceX tends to be very upfront with their failures, and tends to broadcast and in many cases re-upload video of their failures.

Doubly so when the "failure" isn't part of the primary mission.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by stupidcar on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:59PM (#16320289)
They know how the press works though. There's a huge amount of attention being paid to this launch, and journalists will be racing to report it ASAP. If they announce immediately that the centre core has been destroyed, the headlines around the world are going to be "SPACEX LAUNCHES CAR BUT LOSES SPACECRAFT", and the failure, however partial, will be a central plank of the story.

If they delay the core announcement by a couple of hours or so, the headlines are all "SPACEX SENDS CAR TO MARS", with a minor note appended later to say, "A SpaceX spokesperson later confirmed the landing of the spacecraft's central core did not succeed and it has been lost." Like it or not, issues of timing like this makes a big difference to how the exact same events are reported and perceived.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by sneak on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @12:06AM (#16322359)
Yeah, presumably they worked out the various optimal messaging strategies for every possible combination of failure/success of each part of the mission in advance. Amazing work on their part; I was super impressed after I deduced what you wrote about 2 minutes after the stream ended.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by peterwaller on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:21PM (#16319877)
Agree it is strange. I love their "How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster" film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

Watching the countdown net it seemed plausible that they didn't know whether it had successfully landed either.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by DavidSJ on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:36PM (#16320051)
It wasn't a lie; they just didn't know the result. There have been multiple cases in the past when contact was temporarily lost after drone ship landing.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by kzrdude on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:51PM (#16320203)
It's ok to be professional and say that you need a day to look at a failure (if it's that) before you announce it with the beginnings of an understanding.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @08:05PM (#16321473)
A restart failure indicates there may be a systemic flaw in all Falcons that could impact recovery efforts in the future as well as other missions that depend on reliable restart capability. One would hope that they have enough telemetry to diagnose the cause.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by Klathmon on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @08:14PM (#16321525)
I'm sure they do, they normally have pretty detailed information on failures.

But even in the worst case first stage engine restart issues will never halt falcon launches. The first stage engines don't ever need to restart to complete the primary mission, and while landing the first stages is a great bonus, it is and always will be a secondary mission objective.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by rtkwe on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @10:56AM (#16325268)
They do eventually come out with it but pretty much every failure they've had so far they've kind of glossed over it during the livestream then come back to it later during a separate press conference.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by nohat on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:33PM (#16320021)
The feed quality drops in a way that makes the shaking antennae explanation seem plausible. I doubt the announcers knew then (why not just say so unless there was some ambiguity?), but it must have been a distinct concern, hence their 'smile nervously' reaction.

It is a bit odd they haven't announced that it was lost yet, but I agree that seems very likely.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by jen729w on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:37PM (#16320061)
FWIW the drone ship feed has been lost in exactly the same way every time I’ve watched a landing.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by geerlingguy on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @08:26PM (#16321577)
I can concur. There’s always 5-10 seconds starting right as the exhaust enters the frame when it cuts. IIRC they have one or two satellite uplinks and they go down due to the vibration.

Also in the video if you watch mission control’s wall of monitors you can see the feed cut back with an empty drone ship a minute or so later. Seems to confirm that the rocket missed the deck due to the engines not lighting.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by andrewwharton on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:56PM (#16321133)
I noticed on the top right screen when landing the 2 outside boosters that they did a 3 engine landing burn. Previously they'd only done this over the water, but considering that the last one went well on 31 Jan, perhaps they also tried a 3 engine landing burn over the drone ship this time and something went wrong.

Just speculation, but it makes sense to me...

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by dgritsko on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:10PM (#16319730)
It sounds like it was lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_tWbjFIGI&feature=youtu.be...

Although there hasn't been an official statement by SpaceX yet, and whoever said "we lost the center core" could have just been referring to the video feed from the drone ship.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by nraynaud on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:24PM (#16320510)
It’s a command center of a complicated operation, nobody cares if someone has a camera issue on a side goal, it’s all about situation. I vote the booster was lost, and it was not worth using more bandwidth on it.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by coryfklein on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:24PM (#16319916)
The quote from the video is: "We lost the center core."

For those like me unfamiliar with the terminology used in this context, is this wording reserved for situations where the rocket is destroyed or could it also mean they lost contact/video feed with the center core?

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by Klathmon on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:27PM (#16319949)
They normally call out "LOS" or "loss of signal" when they lose a video (or any other kind of) feed, but I have heard it on other streams that they say something like "We lost stage 1... signal/camera feed".
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by ghostDancer on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:09PM (#16319715)
Where i live it was 21:45 and i couldn't help but told my son that was on bed to come and see it, cause IMHO it's a significant moment for space exploration. He went to bed later than usual but has a nice story to tell tomorrow at school.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by retSava on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:30PM (#16319981)
Considered the same with my 4yo, but she was fast asleep since hours before. I'll be sure to show her tomorrow though! Not every day you see someone launch an astronaut in a car into space, then land two boosters next to eachother.

We already dig other nice videos on youtube with rocket launches and the like. "How it's made" and so on. Some manufacturing videos have, believe it or not, caught her attention for half an hour! I think it was especially a video from manufacturing the Mini (car), lots of robots and automation.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by icc97 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:02PM (#16320319)
I showed my 5yo daughter the animation they had before she went to bed, will show her the video tomorrow.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by mcv on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @11:02AM (#16325319)
I watched last evening alone (my wife wasn't interested, sadly) and this morning again with the entire family.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by kiriliponi on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:28PM (#16319968)
Same here! ;-)
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by bendavis381 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:45PM (#16320144)
https://youtu.be/wbSwFU6tY1c?t=34m8s

You can hear "Centre core defect on shutdown". Definitely didn't make it.

Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by voodooranger on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:04PM (#16320789)
I heard center core boostback burn shutdown
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by nicolashahn on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:41PM (#16320096)
Texted a friend who works at SpaceX, it didn't make it
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by kawfey on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:07PM (#16319677)
I'll bet it blew up on the droneship. It was weird they didn't have an immediate confirmation; I thought they have a boat or heli within visual range for the photo.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by mewm on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:55PM (#16320248)
Perhaps they have to "structure" a more formal statement even though the rocket could have been observed exploding. Purely speculation though.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by madamelic on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:09PM (#16319705)
Yeah, that's sort of how I feel as well. It seems odd that they didn't immediately know or say, then they cut it off immediately.
Re:SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy successfully launches by hectormalot on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @04:08PM (#16319692)
I feel the same! Suddenly I think I can grasp a bit of how it must’ve felt to watch the Apollo missions back in the day