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Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by kinkrtyavimoodh on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @10:52AM (#16317006)
Aren't all password managers keyloggers too?
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by dkonofalski on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:50PM (#16317936)
No. 1Password, as far as I know, doesn't trigger anything until after I've given it the OK to do its thing. It can input passwords when I allow it to and it saves the password only after I've confirmed that it's ok to. It's possible that they're secretly logging everything in the background but that seems to be completely antithetical for a company that requires the trust of its users for its product to sell.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:05PM (#16317581)
I personally stay far away from password managers, especially as browser extensions. I'd really recommend everyone look at how many of their Chrome extensions have the permission to "access your data on all websites", and consider whether or not they really trust the companies or individuals who made those extensions with that permission.

It's eye-opening to people when I ask them about an extension they have, say "Honey", and they say they like it because it saves them money. And then I point out it can access everything they do online, and ask them if that's a concern or not.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by paulgb on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:19PM (#16317686)
As an open-source extension developer, I wish there was a way to prove that the extension uploaded is generated from a specific git commit. It wouldn't solve everything, but it would make it easier for anyone to audit the code and know that it actually matches the code I've uploaded.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:30PM (#16317778)
Indeed. I was thinking about this, and would argue this should really not only exist... but be the only way extensions with this level of wide-sweeping access should be permitted to be published.

Chrome team, if they were security-focused, would not permit any closed source extensions which have access to all website data.

People don't seem to understand sometimes that if an extension has this sort of access, you need to be able to trust your browser extensions as much as you trust your browser itself.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @02:55PM (#16319007)
I'd add to that "not obfuscated" too since JS minimization and WASM can be as obscure as binary.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by dokument on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:39PM (#16317844)
> I personally stay far away from password managers

I am curious how you manage your passwords.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by Spooky23 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:46PM (#16317894)
Use an out of band password manager, whose key is never transmitted over a network. Or a notebook that is physically secured. There are a number of solutions for password vaults, and you can use a variety of means to synchronize them if needed.

The notion that it's a good idea to trust a browser extension for secrets management is pretty bizarre to me if you're protecting high value assets.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by danieldk on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @01:55PM (#16318478)
As always, it depends on your threat assessment and what is practically possible. For the vast majority of users, using a password manager browser extension [1] is a large improvement over password re-use over dozens of sites. Most folks will also not want to put in the effort to use an out-of-band password manager.

(Not directed at you personally, but I often hear such comments from people who are then perfectly fine to use a password manager in X11, where in a the default configuration every application can read your keystrokes, screen grabs, clipboard, etc.)

[1] Preferably one that communicates with an out-of-process password manager over an authenticated channel like 1Password.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @02:25PM (#16318758)
I love passphrases and mnemonics. There are passwords that I retired out of anywhere they existed several years ago that I will probably never forget as long as I live. And not only is it easy to create memorable passphrases, and they're fairly long, you can then combine your passphrases in interesting combinations to get even more passwords that you probably will never forget.

Beyond that, the "never reuse passwords" adage is horribly oversold. If it handles my money, my email, or my web hosting, it needs to be unique. Passwords for places I comment are commonly reused and not as sophisticated because it is not seriously impactful to me if someone gets a hold of them.

Reuse passwords for sites that can't meaningfully harm you if they get compromised. Minimize how many accounts can harm you by not saving your credit card info in most of them, uncheck that box when you pay for stuff.

I'm also insanely liberal about deploying 2FA. I have it everywhere it's available, even sites with common/stupid passwords. So a lot of sites I don't bother with unique passwords will still be somewhat protected if my password is compromised. I'm also subscribed to haveibeenpwned with every email address I've ever used for anything.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by Harvey-Specter on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:42PM (#16317865)
Memory
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by Bud on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @03:50PM (#16319447)
In other words, you're not using strong, unique passwords, and your security is likely nil.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by AgentME on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @07:58PM (#16321433)
A Chrome extension even with all available permissions doesn't have access to your password manager. (It could record the passwords as they're typed or autofilled into a webpage, but it doesn't make a difference whether you're using your browser's password manager or typing it yourself there.)
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by ransom1538 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:04AM (#16317105)
I am too paranoid to use them, but, from what I read (regarding the biggest one):

"LastPass encrypts your Vault before it goes to the server using 256-bit AES encryption. Since the Vault is already encrypted before it leaves your computer and reaches the LastPass server, not even LastPass employees can see your sensitive data"

If there is an attack still possible (even using LastPass employees) can you post it here?

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by skymt on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:35AM (#16317357)
Project Zero has found a number of major flaws in the LastPass extension.

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=88... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=11... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12...

At a glance what they have in common is flaws in the scripts that the LastPass extension injects into pages. The injected scripts can communicate with the extension core with a set of RPCs. Each of these issues is a way of tricking the extension into running RPCs from untrusted JavaScript on any web page. The RPCs available allow an attacker to fetch the credentials for any site in the database or even execute arbitrary code on the host.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by rileyteige on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:19AM (#16317215)
Not sure if you're using the credential "autofill" feature, but somewhat recently there was an attack in which their autofill extension could be tricked into "autofilling" specific sites' credentials on a malicious webpage. (Not sure if this has been fixed by LastPass)

The fix for that was to not use autofill and revert to manually grabbing your username/password when filling out a login form.

Aside from that, I am not aware of other "hot" attack vectors.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by LocalPCGuy on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:37AM (#16317374)
LastPass has been very diligent in fixing issues like the one you list. Usually very quickly (sometimes in hours, not even days.) And most of the issues you've read about with LastPass have been fixed before being disclosed because of how responsive they are.

Users still need to practice skepticism and ultimately it is their responsibility to protect their passwords. But LastPass has been a very good citizen when it comes to being as secure as possible.

Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @02:59PM (#16319047)
I would not say "as secure as possible" since the risks introduced by a browser extension are very real. Though the alternatives lately are impractical for non-technical users
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by rajasinghe on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @03:56PM (#16319490)
I used LastPass for a while. Then it filled in my username and password (correctly) on a website without my having authenticated... It looks like there's an unencrypted local cache which is not flushed when your authentication expires or you log out. I wasn't able to reproduce it but I was sufficiently spooked to stop using it after that.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by stolsvik on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:34PM (#16335768)
Sure it wasn't the browser that filled it in?
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by bhhaskin on Thursday February 08, 2018 @08:56AM (#16332027)
Not even close. For instance check out password-store. It's a cli that uses gpg to store passwords. You can install an open source browser extension, but it only allows you to login easily and is manually triggered. It only connects to your local password-store.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by the8472 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @12:18PM (#16317685)
There are password managers that don't involve any cloud services.
Re:Grammarly shared its tokens with all websites by nebulous1 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:37AM (#16317371)
No?