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Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by vthallam on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:29PM (#16293466)
An FX trader saying Bitcoin is gonna die? right, he's not biased at all. Isn't it very obvious that anyone in the current financial world(Traders/FX brokers) doesn't like cryptocurrencies? Why does Bloomberg even have to take their opinion.

On the other hand, yes, there's some bad news across the board. China, India, and Bitfinex/Tether. Despite that, we only see the price going to a 3 mon old price. Once Tether is sorted out and the regulations are clear in China & India, you could see the recovery.

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by mikestew on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:40PM (#16293563)
An FX trader saying Bitcoin is gonna die? right, he's not biased at all.

Yeah, currency traders, what do they know?

Isn't it very obvious that anyone in the current financial world(Traders/FX brokers) doesn't like cryptocurrencies?

Oh, it's obvious. Ever wonder why? Bias? Conspiracy? Ya know, traders would trade cockroach shit if there was a market. It could be bias, could be that these professionals ask themselves, "how can I value this?" and come up empty.

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by mhmiles on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:48PM (#16293650)
Pretty much. They’ll take money wherever they can predictably get it. They’re not deep into crypto for the same reason they’re not deep into horse racing.
Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by fwdpropaganda on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:42PM (#16293588)
HAHAH awesome I just made exactly the same comment.
Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by vthallam on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:48PM (#16293645)
Thought, I could answer both of you here. I'm an engineer and reasonably well read, but I didn't bother to read the bitcoin white paper or understand ethereum smart contracts until recently and it took me some time.

So a finance person not understanding technology without any asset backing it is understandable and so they are not bullish about Cryptocurrencies. Everyone knows the crypto market is crazy, it's difficult to comprehend. But few of the top coins will survive in some or the other form.

Also, everyone in finance not agree on the idea it's a bubble. Goldman is starting a trading desk[1] in 2018 for cryptocurrencies, I will just wait until more traditional financial institutions join.

[1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/goldman-i...

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by mikestew on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:52PM (#16293679)
Our comments do have an uncanny restating of the same thing, all within 60 seconds of each other. I'm not terribly surprised, as parent has an uncomfortable "chem-trails" vibe to it. What ELSE is the currency market hiding from us?
Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by fwdpropaganda on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:41PM (#16293580)
I hear all the time from the crypto-people the reasoning

> Isn't it very obvious that anyone in the current financial world(Traders/FX brokers) doesn't like cryptocurrencies?

"Oh finance people just don't _like_ cryptocurrencies!"

Well, finance people make their living either trading or selling anything at all they can get their hands on. Have you asked yourself why it is that they don't have the same attitude towards cryptocurrencies? Why is it that they don't apply the same knowledge and experience that they have from years of trading other financial instruments, to cryptocurrencies? Nothing strikes you as strange here?

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by hyprCoin on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:08PM (#16293805)
What's to say they aren't? If you are trying to accumulate, would you bump up the price publicly and buy privately or suppress the price publicly and buy privately? I know what I'd do, especially if there were no laws around any of it.

Personally I trust the future of finance, governance, security representation, IOT, fog computing and other yet to be developed applictations to software engineers rather than wall street and lawyers.

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by lern_too_spel on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:47PM (#16294465)
Don't lump me in with the cryptocurrency maniacs. Most software engineers also see blockchain as useless when applied to the domains you listed.
Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by hyprCoin on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:15PM (#16294629)
I'm saying that all crypto teams contain software engineers, not that all software engineers are cryptocurrency maniacs.

You also may want to reevaluate your initial thoughts on what representations of value can do for each of these use cases.

A quick example: A secure means of sharing information and value across devices is a building block for the internet of things. How would such a standard exist and how would the value distribution become agreed upon?

There are many crypto currencies in the space

edit: removed coin reference, really not trying to convince anyone to buy anything, just re-evaluate prejudices

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by lern_too_spel on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:25AM (#16296332)
> A secure means of sharing information and value across devices is a building block for the internet of things. How would such a standard exist and how would the value distribution become agreed upon?

Using centralized systems. Why would a more expensive distributed not-quite-trustless system be better than a far simpler and cheaper system built on centralized trusted authorities?

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by avtar on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:31PM (#16293484)
> Why does Bloomberg even have to take their opinion.

Bloomberg seem to love speculating on bubbles of all sorts https://www.google.ca/search?q=bloomberg+bubble+bust

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by tomsthumb on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:38PM (#16293544)
The only reason I can see for downvoting this comment is that it’s counter-narrative to the “we’re all gonna get rich on crypto right now” spiel.

Can someone point out a better (actual) reason to downvote it?

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by mikestew on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:47PM (#16293639)
counter-narrative

I'm confused, doesn't parent fit the narrative of "get rich on bitcoin"? Anyway, my guess for why the downvotes is because it's a reverse of "appeal to authority". The classic appeal to authority is, "he/she is a $MUCKITY_MUCK in this field, and therefore should be listened to." with no real reason to listen other than that they hold a title of authority on the subject. Parent is the reverse: "Authorities on the subject are, of course, biased and should not be listened to."

Re:Bitcoin Whipsaws Investors as Bubble Shows Signs of Bursting by mr_spothawk on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:54PM (#16294510)
Presumably, not every person who holds bitcoin is doing so to get rich.