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Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by staunch on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:14PM (#16287183)
Apple did a good job of executing on a bad idea with the iPhone X notches. But I don't believe Steve Jobs would've let the iPhone X (or Touchbar) out the door because they're so clearly half-measures.

Apple is implementing temporary workarounds (that won't exist in future devices) in their top of the line products. This is the kind of short-term thinking that they're so famous for avoiding.

They're still doing quite good overall but this is clearly something they're struggling with.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by djrogers on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:04PM (#16287482)
> I don't believe Steve Jobs would've let the iPhone X (or Touchbar) out the door

This is a ridiculous trope that needs to die. Among the many ‘half-measures’ people whined about during Steve Jobs’ tenure are things such as the original iPhone not having 3G, the iPhone 4 antennagate, the infamously scratch prone iPod Nano, the crack prone poly MacBooks, etc etc.

Apple was never a company that produced only flawless, non-controversial products, and Steve was perhaps the most controversial and opinionated product person to have ever lived.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by ninkendo on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:59PM (#16287772)
Another really obvious half-measure was that the original iPhone didn't have an app store. "HTML5 is your SDK", basically, and adding sites to your homescreen was all you could do. Steve Jobs tried to pretend this was a good thing:

> And guess what? There’s no SDK that you need! You’ve got everything you need if you know how to write apps using the most modern web standards to write amazing apps for the iPhone today. So developers, we think we’ve got a very sweet story for you. You can begin building your iPhone apps today.

They fixed that the very next release.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by wodenokoto on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:34AM (#16289797)
At the time Google was experimenting with off-line apps with their proprietary Google gears.

At the time, Google and Apple had a very close relationship and I thought it was odd that Apple didn't implement offline web apps via gears.

Most iphone apps are, after all glorified web pages.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by detaro on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:51PM (#16295673)
One might argue that it was merely to early for that, since web standards around it didn't exist and weren't provided by Apple either. Not having the required focus on the App Store could have been great!
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by TrainedMonkey on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:40PM (#16287960)
Apple store is primarily a distribution/discovery channel, I would not be surprised if it started as - hey let's build a catalogue of all the websites that work well on iPhones.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by bahram_banisadr on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:14PM (#16287545)
Apple's biggest asset has always been design. On a tehnical basis Apple products sometimes beat the competition and sometimes are outdone by the likes of Samsung, Thinkpad, etc. They have dominated the American consumer market because of fit and finish, attention to detail, and overall functional beauty in design. The flaws you're speaking of are a different sort from the, frankly weird looking, notch. While executed as well as possible, its a design compromise.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by stouset on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:25PM (#16287595)
The notch is a literal non-issue that only people who don’t actually use this damn device seem to complain about or even notice. I for one am happy that an entire strip of nearly-useless status icons has been shifted upward into the extra area afforded by the notch. The number of times I notice it in a given month easily rounds to zero.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by Sir_Cmpwn on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:45PM (#16287708)
>The notch is a literal non-issue that only people who don’t actually use this damn device seem to complain about or even notice.

Do you suppose it's possible that it's no coincidence that people who dislike the notch don't use the phone?

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by stouset on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:28PM (#16287915)
It’s the same story every time Apple releases a new product. People who overwhelmingly don’t buy Apple products in the first place lose their minds over some nit, while the overwhelming majority of their actual customers never seem to understand what the big deal is.

I’m not surprised at all: these people knee-jerk so hard and often, they probably can’t afford Apple products after the paying for orthopedic surgeons.

And the “ignorant Apple fanboy” narrative that seems to be the counterargument to this falls laughably short when you realize that the number of Apple’s customers has been increasing exponentially for the last fifteen years, all while they continue to enjoy the top spot in consumer satisfaction surveys across virtually their entire product line.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by tedunangst on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:02PM (#16287782)
Certainly not a coincidence that everybody who hates the notch feels compelled to tell the world about it.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by empath75 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:48PM (#16287725)
Yeah I don’t mind the notch at all and never notice it.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by 8note on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:48PM (#16287722)
different shapes cause the strength to change in different ways.

certain notch designs are much better than others for keeping the screen from breaking.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by CharlesW on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:33PM (#16287628)
All design is compromise.

It's "weird looking" at the moment because Apple was the first[1] with the <cough> "courage" to do this in order to integrate what's basically a Kinect into the front of a phone. But phones are already showing up that copy this solution.

[1] Well, Essential did it, but didn't commit to the degree that Apple did.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by djrogers on Friday February 02, 2018 @01:25AM (#16288808)
> its a design compromise.

ALL design is compromise. The options available for this design are a) stop the entire screen below the sensors b) extend the screen around the sensors or c) remove the sensors.

A gives you less overall screen space, and leads to other problems like an imbalance between the ‘chin’ and ‘forehead’ areas. Of course you could remove even more screen sapce to balance that out, but...

C means you have no Face ID, which is closer to giving up than compromising.

B is obviously the option they went with, and having used the phone for several months, I’d have to say I agree with this compromise. I get some extra screen space by moving the status stuff up in to the ‘ears’ and I still get faceID.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by staunch on Friday February 02, 2018 @01:42AM (#16288859)
Except your list of misfeatures is actually a missing feature and a list of bugs. No one would claim Steve Jobs or Apple was ever perfect, just that he wouldn't have released these blatantly obvious misfeatures.

Can you think of anything similar to these weird misfeatures? I'm genuinely curious.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by sbuk on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:30AM (#16289787)
Hockey puck mouse.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by wvenable on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:41PM (#16287684)
If you look at iPhone iconography -- it's always been basically a rounded rectangle with a circle and square for the home button. Easily identifiable as an iPhone with just 3 shapes. With the home button gone, the notch is used to distinctively represent an iPhone.

Perhaps the whole thing is purposely form over function.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by twothamendment on Friday February 02, 2018 @10:38AM (#16291335)
Form over function? I think you nailed it. Would it be less expensive to manufacture using circles? Would sales decrease if they had? Would anyone really notice?

I wonder how many man-hours were spent debating the shape of the corners.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by kurthr on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:18PM (#16287873)
Don't believe that their competitors will have notch-less phones... they will copy slavishly!

Count on it (unless they have a design latent in the notch).

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by kurthr on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:35PM (#16299124)
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by sekou on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:34PM (#16287310)
In addition to the attention to design detail it speaks to the brand strength of Apple that if any of their competitors released a phone with a similarly unconventional screen shape it would have been a weakness that would drastically affect the acceptance of the phone, even if it was engineered in the exact same way. The notch is truly a feature only Apple would be able to have success with.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by eanzenberg on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:49PM (#16287729)
What is wrong with the touchbar? What is wrong with the notch?

I've been on a touchbar mac and it's just as usable as having keys, with the added flexibility of changing them around (adding a lock button, etc.). It's mostly a non issue and does everything the prior bar did.

The notch essentially houses the 1 feature most people love on their X's, it becomes a non-issue once you use it. Or, if you're like me, you recognize that instead of losing a notch, you gained 2 ears of information.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by Veen on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:36AM (#16289806)
I find the Touch Bar frustrating. It's probably because of the way use my MacBook Pro on my lap a lot. I find that I often accidentally press buttons on the Touch Bar because my hands naturally rest in that area.

My real problem with that model is the sticky keyboard, though. My space bar and several other keys are intermittently unresponsive, which irritates me no end.

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:30PM (#16287617)
FWIW, Job also (allegedly, but probably didn't actually) said "real artists ship" [0].

[0] http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Real_Artists_Ship...

Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by dilap on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:43PM (#16287696)
I don't know, I have one and I genuinely love the notch (and the other rounded corners). The device feels organic and sci-fi in a way that strictly rectangular screens do not. (But I haven't seen an all-screen phone yet, so maybe I'd change my tune if I did.)
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by bluthru on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:00PM (#16287774)
Having all of the corners be equal is a very Apple thing. The notch will recede over time.
Re:No Cutting Corners on the iPhone X by eanzenberg on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:45PM (#16287710)
LUL. 20b in 3 months profit and they're struggling!