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Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by ainiriand on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:51AM (#16280617)
This guy is putting himself, and others, at risk. This is not romantic or fantastic in any way when accidents happen. Imagine that this guy falls or loses any object and falls over someone. This is a serious topic and it is life threatening with the only excuse of getting video views.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by stinos on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:39AM (#16281123)
You've got a point, but statistically speaking this single guy is nothing in comparision with the actual real risks other people's acts put you in every single day. By getting in their car, on their bike, crossing you on stairs, flying planes above you, lighting candles in houses around you, ...

And I'm not sure if your 'but those are accidental' argument makes sense. If the guy falls or drops something it will obviously be an accident as well. Is there really a difference between what he does and me getting on my bike and riding in the presence of pedestrians? I.e. if I really wanted to I could also walk, which would reduce the risk towards others. Should I stop riding my bike for that?

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by YeGoblynQueenne on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:37PM (#16286617)
>> Is there really a difference between what he does and me getting on my bike and riding in the presence of pedestrians?

There's a difference of scale, for sure. If you crash onto someone with your bike you won't necesarily kill them, you might not even injure them. But with what this guy is doing, one mistake means uncertain death (he will certainly die, we just don't know exactly how).

Obviously, if he hits someone on the way down, that someone is also dead on the spot. I don't think that's such a big issue though. For me it's just stupid to do something that dangerous for the fame of it, especially if you risk encouraging others doing the same.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Audible_logic on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:33AM (#16282528)
Kinda feels like a false equivalence to me. Yes, as a society we all put ourselves at risk as we drive and interact. Doesn't mean I want to be an possible participant in witnessing some adrenaline addict fall off a building. I don't want to see people die horribly in auto accidents either, but that seems like a compromise to use a car, something that actually has a use for me. Nothing about random daredevil getting a dose of adrenaline benefits me personally, so out of all of the possible horrible things that can be produced from human interaction, this one doesn't seem necessary.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by stinos on Thursday February 01, 2018 @12:51PM (#16283941)
benefits me personally

People driving around me by car (whether I'm by bike or car or ...) usually also don't benefit me personally. On the contrary. Also there's a ton of car driving going on which to me seems completely unnecessary (e.g. I know people driving to a store 3 times a week, and I know for a fact the products they buy would be just as good if only bought once a week, and I'm not even speaking about the extra emissions of the car). I actually know of accidents caused by people in perfect health which as such in my opinion could just as well have taken their bike out in the sunny weather to go to the bakery 1 kilometre from their house.

Apart from that, being no stranger to extreme sports and random 'weird' behaviour myself, I also think about it in another way: what this guy does is in no way beneficial to me or you but maybe it is beneficial for him. He did this already before sharing it with millions and I'm pretty sure that is not his main driving force. 'Adrenaline addiction' or whatever you want to call it is likely pretty real from him. At least it is for me. And what happens to me mentally when I don't get my shot is not nice. So yes, this behaviour is sort of necessary to be able to function normally and feel alive. Though I do try not to things which might put other people at risk.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by icebraining on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:16AM (#16280726)
What's the danger he's putting other in, compared to a regular person driving a car? An Honda Civic at 60km/h has more kinetic energy than an 80kg person at terminal velocity. Should we reprove every car trip taken for leisure, lest it hit someone?
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by dazc on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:19AM (#16280741)
If I'm walking past a tall building I think it's reasonable to expect that an Honda Civic is not suddenly going to drop from the sky above me?
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by icebraining on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:22AM (#16280759)
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by sizzzzlerz on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:12AM (#16281931)
OMG! Where's the video taken just moments before on the 7th floor? I know Texas isn't much for government regulations but I'd think building codes for parking garages would require, you know, barriers and walls. To keep people from driving off into oblivion.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by icebraining on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:17AM (#16281958)
Nope, they can use just steel cables. Plus it had already happened at the same garage less than an year before: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/car-dangling-from-parkin...

The city, which inspects buildings after construction is complete, has no record of having inspected those cables since the garage at Brazos and East Sixth streets was finished in 1981, city spokeswoman Sylvia Arzola said

Using multiple strings of high-tension, half-inch cables as a parking lot barrier in lieu of concrete walls is increasingly common, according to an Austin structural engineer, and is listed as an acceptable alternative in city and international building standards.

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/local/year-old-cables-played...

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by maxxxxx on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:49AM (#16281788)
Never heard the old saying "it rains cars and dogs"?
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by dazc on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:59AM (#16281218)
OK, now I'm paranoid.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by mhb on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:06AM (#16281898)
You might also think you wouldn't get hit by a car in your second floor apartment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/01/1...
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by jstarfish on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:51AM (#16289677)
You might as well. If not Honda Civics, large chunks of ice and/or solid sheets of it regularly fall from buildings in the winter.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/19/winter-weather...

Cranes toppling is also not that uncommon of an occurrence.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by wu-ikkyu on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:28AM (#16282037)
It could pop the curb and hit you
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Chris2048 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:35AM (#16280822)
People know roads are dangerous, and they have crash barriers, speed limits etc.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by icebraining on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:24AM (#16281053)
Right, but 60km/h is inside the speed limit for many roads without barriers, which is why I used it as an example. In fact, if you take a slightly heftier car like a CR-V, it can be within urban speed limits (48km/h - 30mph) and still have an higher kinetic energy.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Chris2048 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:23AM (#16281337)
The 60kmh are usually quieter, non-residential zones with good clearance between the road and the pavement.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by pensivemood on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:48AM (#16281166)
But that does not prevent them from entering a car ride with their own babies. So, yes, people know that roads are dangerous. But no one ever gives a second thought when entering a car ride, even with their own kids, even when they know nothing about the skill/ability of the driver.

Not to mention that you are literally placing the life of you and your fellow riders in the hands of every driver in the incoming traffic...I mean, think about that chance, where 1 in a 1000+ drivers you encounter is doing either one of these..

1. Texting and driving 2. Is drunk 3. Just having a very bad day..

Tell me, what is the justification for taking your family on a joy ride on a highway..

Truth is, the capitalistic society at large encourages vehicle use. That thousands of lives are lost in accidents every year is mentioned, but not highlighted. There are things that warn you about the dangers of smoking. But there are no such thing that prompts you to ask the question, "Is this ride really necessary?" when you are getting into a car.

A lot of things that we do can be attributed to just this selective shunning of society.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Chris2048 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:20AM (#16281323)
I'm not sure why you mention children, I think people are paranoid about child safety, but that's kind of a tangent..

Cars have all sorts of safety features, crumple zones, mandatory seat-belts etc. It's more dangerous to be hit by a car than be inside it I reckon, though car-on-car collisions would be an additional hazard to drivers.

> think about that chance, where 1 in a 1000+ drivers you encounter

is 0.001 the actual figure for that probability? larger motorways with counter-flow traffic usually have lane separators.

I'm not sure what "having a bad day" means, but drivers caught drink driving are harshly punished. also, it should be possibly to spot suspicious drivers early on in many instances.

I'd argue whether a driver who was not paying attention is likely to do anything as severe as swerve into counter-traffic harshly enough for the collision to result in severe death or injury.

> the capitalistic society at large encourages vehicle use

As opposed to what kind of society? People like driving cars even if it's not economical.

> thousands of lives are lost in accidents every year is mentioned, but not highlighted

what's that as a percentage of all car use? Dangerous or inattentive driving is the cause of most accidents; the same is not true of smoking. And generally, technology and regulation is improving.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by StillBored on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:10PM (#16284132)
Uh.. accidental deaths are the #1 cause of death between the age 1 and age 44 in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10lcid_all_deaths_by_...

And the largest part of that has until recently been car accidents (comprising the larger transportation related catagory)

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/164522/20160612/car-crashe...

Now apparently its drug overdose, which is one of those cases where intent (aka suicide) isn't always clear.

But by far the most dangerous thing your average american does everyday is get in a car, and that is by a large margin.

*this is why the focus on "terrorism" and "gun control" both piss me off, seatbelt, airbag, backup cameras, etc laws save more lives every month than all the terrorism related activity in the last couple decades, despite the government spending orders of magnitude more on the latter.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Chris2048 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:57PM (#16287095)
Again, what's that relative to car usage?

> by far the most dangerous thing your average american does everyday is get in a car, and that is by a large margin

Not true if the frequency is ignored. Landmines kill fewer Americans, but stepping on one is more dangerous than stepping in a car.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by CalRobert on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:03AM (#16280665)
True, but the question isn't whether there is risk, but whether it's acceptable. How does it compare to other risks we accept? We let people smoke outside where others walk by, or eat peanuts in public while some others are quite allergic, to name just two.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Chris2048 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:36AM (#16280829)
We used to let people smoke indoors, but that changed in some places, and you aren't allowed to smoke if the area is v enclosed. Maybe those other things will change too. Are people w nut allergies sensitive to the presence of nuts nearby?
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by jsjohnst on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:01AM (#16281540)
> Are people w nut allergies sensitive to the presence of nuts nearby?

Some, yes.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by ainiriand on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:53AM (#16280923)
Those are accidental risks, this one is voluntary. Also to die from second-hand smoking, while not impossible, it is a long journey of breathing cigar smoke.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by CalRobert on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:37AM (#16281108)
Neither is voluntary in my example, unless "never going outside in a populated place" is a reasonable option. Anyway, I'm not really saying daredevilism is, or isn't, ok, just that comments saying it's a terrible risk are usually somewhat irrational, or at least inconsistent.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by ainiriand on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:19AM (#16281625)
Maybe I expressed myself incorrectly. I am not saying that daredevilism is not ok just because it is dangerous. You can go to any inhabited area and do what you want. The problem here is using public spaces to perform your stunts. You are effectively putting others at risk in an activity that they are not taking part in voluntarily.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Audible_logic on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:38AM (#16282572)
Strongly agree.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by jstarfish on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:54AM (#16289682)
You're discounting developmental risks to children not encompassing a lifetime of breathing cigar smoke. To these ends even Alabama is about to forbid smoking in cars with children present.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by katastic on Thursday February 01, 2018 @05:01AM (#16280657)
Not to mention the _costs_ to society/economy to rescue risk-takers every time they get stranded or injured.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Faaak on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:37AM (#16281407)
Frankly, if a rescuer takes some risks climbing a crane to rescue someone, then he shouldn't do it. I don't get it when people say: "he's putting rescuers at risks by getting stuck here". Climbing a crane is not complicated. Anyone with climbing and rope work can safely climb and rescue someone up there.

I would fine a world where all risks are forbidden to be very sad. I've climbed plenty of cranes and rope-swinged many bridges and viaducts. Of course it's illegal, but for me that's what brings pleasure to my life. Of course I could fall and pancake on the floor. Of course that'll cost the society. But I work, and I cycle instead of driving to work, so I suppose that I would cost the same in average.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by ainiriand on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:22AM (#16281637)
You can ask a passerby of any of your activities if they want to be put at risk just because you are swinging from a crane, let's see if that compares with the same answer when you ask them if they want to take the risk of living in a city with car smoke. It is just not the same.
Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by Faaak on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:07AM (#16289718)
In general, passerbys start taking photos and videos. Crane are situated in construction sites (I only go during the night or during the weekends), so if we crash, we'll only kill some ants.

As for the bridges and viaducts, there's either a river underneath (some fish may be harmed), or a plain forest.

So no, no passerby is "put at risk". The risk is very low. It seems dangerous swinging from a crane, but the gear is meant for that. Driving to work is way more dangerous.

Re:A daredevil climber risking his life for breathtaking views by wu-ikkyu on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:32AM (#16282062)
If I was a passerby I'd say hell yeah I want to watch. And I definitely don't want to live in a smelly polluted city.