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Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by toomanybeersies on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:10PM (#16278415)
OBike has been a shocking failure in Australia. Not necessarily from a business perspective, but from an environmental one.

Because they aren't physically locked onto anything, it has become a game to see what stupid place you can put an OBike. Recently they fished a couple of dozen out of the Yarra River. People think it's amusing to just abuse them. Half of them have the wheel lock broken off them, so they're free to ride.

I think it's an Australian culture thing, there is a lack of respect for property. OBike seems to work a lot better in Singapore, where people have respect for property.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by crdb on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @08:28PM (#16279073)
OBikes are wrecks in Singapore, because, it seems, oBike does not care about having staff to actually repair or maintain the bikes. We have a slightly more respectful population, perhaps, but it does not stop bikes from rusting, missing pedals or brakes, and so on. The rapid increase in the number of bikes has, thankfully, put a stop to the previous habit of taking out a part of the bike (usually pedal or seat) to put it out of action and thus "reserve" it.

Fortunately there are now so many bike startups in Singapore that you have a wide choice to pick from, and all of them are currently free. I went to the market yesterday with my mother in law, her riding a Mobike and me an Ofo, both checked out with my account.

Mobike seems the best run although I agree with the low seat problem (which is less of an issue in Asia). However, there are 3-4 different models at any one time so I suspect the company will iterate towards different models for different markets, including in size. Some of the engineering on the newer prototypes is quite interesting, and copied a few months later by Ofo, which seems to be the other company with actually active management (after a disastrous start with non-GPS-tracked bikes which were routinely "retired" by users).

As for bad parking, it is a function of enforcement. In Singapore, the companies are fined a substantial amount per bike if the government has to come and clear them. So there is apparently a sub half hour pickup time for most if you report it parked incorrectly (e.g. in a bus lane). It sounds like Australian cities have not yet put their act together in that respect. Fine the companies $500 per bike dropped in a creek and watch the problem disappear...

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by neumann on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:11PM (#16278744)
Oh god yes.

I live near a small creek in central melbourne. My morning commute passes usually 3-4 newly trashed O-bikes that have been ghostied into the creek, or recently fished out by a neighbour.

I recently spotted a guy with a super nice camera stalking the riverbank and jokingly asked him if he was O-bike spotting. He replied that he was, I pointed him to two submerged on the other bank and he said he was making an arts film about O-Bikes coming to life and joining together like voltron. The company had even promised to donate some trashed O-Bikes to him. At this point, I wonder what their business model is.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by flukus on Thursday February 01, 2018 @12:18AM (#16279769)
> At this point, I wonder what their business model is.

Same as silicon valley, keep growing to attract more and more venture capital, worry about profitability later.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by PhasmaFelis on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:45PM (#16287979)
Step 1: Build user base. Step 3: Profit.
Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by NamTaf on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:36PM (#16278852)
It's disappointing it occurs here but it's not uniquely Australian. I see a fair amount of bikes in similar states of disposal whenever I head over to China. That said, in the CBD area of major chinese cities these things are so ubiquitous that I suspect the company just accepts a mortality rate for them.

The sibling comment is right, though; I don't know how you could run this successfully with that level of mortality rate eating into your bottom line.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by mb_72 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:04AM (#16280295)
My wife and I visited Stockholm over the weekend, and walking around we saw two OBikes mingled in with what appeared to be otherwise well-organised and neatly piled up old Christmas trees. It was practically the only example of 'messiness' that we saw in the entire city (well, with what we could see via a 4-hour visit).
Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by Bendingo on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @09:46PM (#16279340)
> there is a lack of respect for property

Australians lack respect not just for (other's) property but for other people and society in general.

In my opinion, Australians on the whole are rude and selfish.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by toomanybeersies on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @10:23PM (#16279448)
On the contrary, I find most Aussies to be helpful and friendly people. Rude, perhaps, but friendly.

I guess it depends on where you live. South Eastern and Central Melbourne is a much nicer are than Bendigo (I assume you've at least been to Bendigo given your username).

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by victorhooi on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:03PM (#16279568)
No, Aussies have a bit of a "larrikin" streak, to use the polite term.

As an Aussie, I'd term is as bordering on obnoxious and irresponsible at times - and it saddens me to write this.

Whether in Europe, South America, or Asia, everybody has a funny story about what we've allegedly done - whether it's pissing on the eternal flame in Paris, stupid stunts with climbing temples in Cambodia, trying to plank on idiotic places in Singapore hotel balconies, or just general pranks.

My parents are originally from Singapore, and like it or not, they at least have the law and order thing down pat.

Look at the mess we've made with shopping trolleys from Coles/Woolworths...

So don't blame the bike companies for us deciding to do stupid things with their property.

It's like somebody blaming a shop for graffiti, because they left their wall empty...

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by Jedi72 on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:59PM (#16279722)
> My parents are originally from Singapore, and like it or not, they at least have the law and order thing down pat.

I am prepared to put up with a bit of 'larrikinism' if the alternative is a society where nobody ever questions/breaks the rules.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by jakecopp on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:20PM (#16288379)
Like these ridiculous laws in Sydney:

- Riding without a bicycle helmet: $319 - Riding furiously, recklessly or negligently (whatever that means): $425 - Cycling on footpath and over 12 years of age: $106

I wonder if the laws are because Australians are "larrikins" or the other way around.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by toomanybeersies on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:20PM (#16279623)
I think you've replied to the wrong comment? I agree with you, you can't blame obikes littering for people throwing them in rivers and on roofs.

You're damn right about Aussies (and also Brits and Kiwis) having stories about doing dumb shit overseas. It's almost a point of national pride, "hey, let me tell you about this time I disrespected an entire culture by pissing in an inappropriate location while pissed!".

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by philliphaydon on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:55AM (#16280071)
> Aussies (and also Brits and Kiwis)

Really? I don't hang out with brits, kiwis, or aussies, despite being kiwi myself, but traveling around Asia people seem to love kiwis a lot.

When I first moved to Singapore I noticed every time a taxi driver asked where I was from, the moment I said New Zealand he got excited.

I tried a few times saying England, America, Australia, and if I named any of those countries it was always the same: "Oh, ok." and nothing more for the rest of the trip.

I asked a taxi driver one day and he said, along the lines of: "america's are really arrogant and tell me how to get where they want to go, british people never want to talk, and australians are really loud and rude, but new zealanders are always very polite and chatty"

I honestly don't know how much truth there is to this, it's not like I've done a scientific study or anything, but I've honestly never heard anything bad about kiwis while traveling around Asia...

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by philliphaydon on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:50AM (#16280052)
> On the contrary, I find most Aussies to be helpful and friendly people.

That's everywhere in Australia, except Sydney.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by dang on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:22AM (#16280357)
Nationalistic swipes aren't allowed here and we ban accounts that post them, so could you please not do that again, regardless of your experiences with Australians?
Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by megablast on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:48AM (#16280043)
So it works badly where you live, but works well in another location you have no idea about? Thanks for your logical feedback.
Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by toomanybeersies on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:26AM (#16280178)
If you must know, I swapped notes with my friend who lives in Singapore.

People in Singapore have much more respect for the rules and following the rules, plus the consequences are more severe for breaking the rules.

Meanwhile in Australia, bending and breaking the rules is a national sport. Also, the consequences for breaking the rules are much less severe. If a cop caught you throwing a bike into a tree or some other amusing place, they would most likely make you take it out of the tree and nothing more.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by jakecopp on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:35PM (#16288448)
- Riding without a bicycle helmet: $319

- Riding furiously, recklessly or negligently (whatever that means): $425

- Cycling on footpath and over 12 years of age: $106

And people wonder why Australians break laws, these are fines in NSW (which includes Sydney).

Trundling down the footpath to the shops on a Sunday morning: $425 fine! No wonder Sydney is so car centric.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by dang on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:12AM (#16280320)
Personal swipes are not allowed in HN comments. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by beedogs on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @09:56PM (#16279375)
> OBike seems to work a lot better in Singapore, where people have respect for property.

Um... nope. It's just as bad in Singapore.

https://mashable.com/2017/10/05/singapore-designated-parking...

Stop blaming Australians for being fed up with companies who use littering as a business model. These shitty bikes are all over the public footpaths here and people are tired of it.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by victorhooi on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:08PM (#16279583)
Sorry, but this is just being shifty and irresponsible. And how are they using littering as a business model? The bloody twats who are picking these up without paying and dumping them in a creek are the ones littering - it's like blaming the shopping centre for you stealing, because they had stuff for you to steal.

Look at the mess Aussies have made with shopping trolleys from Coles/Woolworths. The supermarkets got so fed up they implemented locks on the wheels - nearly every supermarket here does this now.

The only reason the bikes are worse is because they're lighter/easier to move than trolleys, and the locks aren't as hard to overcome as for trolleys.

That, and Australia is in general very un-bike friendly. It's a cultural thing - we love our V6/V8 engines, our big SUVs, and our giant McMansions - we essentially copy the US in those traits. You compare this to say, Europe, or Japan which tend to be much more bike friendly.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by flukus on Thursday February 01, 2018 @12:21AM (#16279779)
> Sorry, but this is just being shifty and irresponsible. And how are they using littering as a business model?

Their business model is leaving their shitty bikes all over public property. If you want to open a food stand you need a license and to comply with regulations, you can't just setup on any footpath, but oBikes are just left everywhere.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:31AM (#16280387)
> The .... who are picking these up without paying and dumping them in a creek are the ones littering

Correct, though the term used for enabling this kind of bad behaviour, as the bike company is doing, is "creating an attractive nuisance" and it's not blameless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by mseebach on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:50AM (#16280438)
No, this does not apply at all.

> It states that a landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on the land if the injury is caused by an object on the land that is likely to attract children. The doctrine is designed to protect children who are unable to appreciate the risk posed by the object, by imposing a liability on the landowner.

People stealing and vandalising bikes aren't children wandering into a hazard.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:35AM (#16289254)
> People stealing and vandalising bikes aren't children wandering into a hazard.

There are differences, and there are similarities. I have heard "attractive nuisance" used (not in a legal context) in a looser sense that covers this case - ie. when you can legitimately ask "well, what else did you think was going to happen?"

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by mseebach on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:32AM (#16290359)
> I have heard "attractive nuisance" used (not in a legal context)

Well, you linked to the legal context, so you'll have to excuse me for misunderstanding.

> "well, what else did you think was going to happen?"

People not stealing bikes, vandalising them and throwing them in nature? Do we really have to invent pseudo-legalities to get around the simple fact that people doing this are utter assholes (and criminals), regardless of whether the company providing these bikes have behaved perfectly?

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by briandear on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:40AM (#16280415)
Europe and Japan also seem to have cooler temperatures on average than Australia and the southern United States.

Southern Europe isn’t particularly bike friendly either.

Re:Uber Bike – A New Way to Commute or Explore by toomanybeersies on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @10:24PM (#16279452)
The fact that the company uses littering as a business model does not excuse anyone who throws a bike in the Yarra or in the sea, that's just even worse.