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Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by Stratoscope on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @05:11PM (#16278014)
Like a human being could ever read that text.

If you're having as much trouble reading it as I was, open the developer tools and on the body style, remove "DINPro" from the font-family, turn off the font-weight: 300 or change it to 400, and increase the font-size to 16px or whatever size you like.

If the AIs ever do take over, my one request is that they use plenty of sarcasm when they talk about designers who think unreadable text with substandard font-weight is a good thing.

Of course, being AIs, maybe they could care less.

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by discreteevent on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @05:55PM (#16278311)
The funny thing is that I think it's in part motivated by the desire for minimalism. But instead of minimising the form they have minimised the function!
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by nikanj on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:03PM (#16278367)
The harder it is to read, the longer you'll spend reading it. And time spent on page is a really common vanity metric.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by DividableMiddle on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:08PM (#16278399)
Or.. the harder it is to read, the more unlikely I am to read it. And will instead leave the page and find another source for the information if I care that much.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by com2kid on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:07PM (#16278395)
It actually looks quite nice in Firefox, it is hard to read in Chrome though. Maybe they have the one last web design team that primarily tests in FF? :D
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by Stratoscope on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:17PM (#16278448)
I'm curious which OS you're using. On Windows, it looks pretty much equally bad to my eyes in Chrome, Firefox, and Edge.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by com2kid on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @08:59PM (#16279204)
Looks good in Firefox on Windows. I'm not on a high DPI monitor, which can certainly mess things up.

Taking a screenshot and zooming in with a pixel grid, the 'i' on comedian is antialiased to 3 pixels in total wide, though the 2 on the side are very light. Firefox is 2 pixels wide, but both columns are dark. Chrome is also 2 pixels wide, but the columns are rather lightly colored.

(Windows' native font antialiasing is amazing, I'm sad all apps don't use it...)

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by marcosdumay on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:54PM (#16278664)
It's legible in my computer. Debian 8, with Firefox, no-script, and ublocker, with 24" screen and a forced minimum font size of something that I don't even remember.

Anything of those could be making it legible. I'd rather trust the opinion of somebody with a more standard system, and I doubt the GP is that somebody either.

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by icebraining on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:02PM (#16278698)
It's the no-script. Allowing scripts loads a crappy font. Hurray for NoScript!
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by skeleton on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:42PM (#16278600)
It looks good for me in Firefox on Xubuntu 16.04.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by oculusthrift on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:52PM (#16278934)
awful on mobile safari. and then if you zoom in to read it, a line no longer fits on the screen
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by marcosdumay on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:55PM (#16278669)
Sarcastic CSS is the current fashion.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by taneq on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:17PM (#16278770)
Cascading Snarky Sarky.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by mastax on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @08:15PM (#16279014)
I find reader mode to be easier than modifying CSS, and it's built in to all major browsers (except desktop Chrome, funnily enough...)
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by Stratoscope on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @08:23PM (#16279050)
So that's what the Luxo lamp in my Chrome toolbar is for! (I have the Evernote extension installed in Chrome, and it includes Clearly as well.)

It's funny, I've hardly ever used that thing. Like a dummy I forget it's there, and instead I go in and hack the CSS (mostly removing styles) and then post sarcastic comments about it.

But you're right, I just clicked the Luxo lamp and the whole page became perfectly readable.

And then I dragged the Luxo lamp over to the left where my most-used extensions are, so I'll remember it next time.

Thanks for the tip!

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Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by dang on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:45AM (#16280242)
Please don't take personal swipes or post unsubstantive comments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by aalleavitch on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:03AM (#16281243)
It wasn’t a personal swipe, it was a friendly joke (I’m a front-end dev too). What qualifies as an unsubstantive comment? People around here are so uptight sometimes.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by dang on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:50PM (#16287069)
Your intent is obvious to you but only to you, and if you don't find an unambiguous way to encode it into your message, few people are going to get it.

One problem here might be that you're applying the standard of in-person conversation where it doesn't apply, at least not without modification. Interpreting my response, and that of users flagging, as "uptight" is a similar confusion. In person we'd all just laugh at the friendly joke and respond in kind. But the conditions are quite different here, as measured by how frequently such comments turn into brawls, and if we want to keep this place going for thoughtful conversation, we need standards that work on the internet.

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by aalleavitch on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:23PM (#16287585)
Perhaps you’re right; it’s the kind of comment that would be obvious to my group of friends in other online communities, but I’m making too many assumptions about the audience here and how adversarial discussions can get. It’s one of the reasons I struggle with bigger online communities where you can’t as easily develop a report. Next time I’m joking around I’ll try to slip in a disclaimer even if it takes some of the oomph out of my joke :P.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by dang on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:51AM (#16289110)
Thanks!
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by kalms on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @05:54PM (#16278305)
You even left a comment on the site writing that. Don't be an asshole.
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by Stratoscope on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:11PM (#16278420)
Fair enough, I edited the comment I posted there to take out the sarcasm and just kept the note on how to make the page readable. OK now?
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by bcaulfield on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:24PM (#16278792)
Put it back in. We love sarcasm!
Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by Stratoscope on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:38PM (#16278859)
OK, chief! I even stepped it up and called it "scrawny text" for good measure.

I am like a politician waffling and flip-flopping as the polling winds blow to and fro.

Hmm... Chicken and waffles sounds pretty good right now!

Re:Like an AI Could Ever Spot Sarcasm by bcaulfield on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:04PM (#16279569)
Will look into changing that font up, many thanks for the feedback!