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Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by MIKarlsen on Sunday January 28, 2018 @03:45PM (#16253357)
Not as much as LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a fairytale-land for adults, and it's bizzare (to me) that anyone wants to participate. It's not even humblebragging anymore. It's "Look what I made, and what I achieved" packed into casual "Oh this thing? Yeah it's just my perfect life"-packages...
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by wutbrodo on Sunday January 28, 2018 @03:49PM (#16253388)
Why would anyone browse LinkedIn? This is actually a serious question. I'm pretty good about keeping mine updated, but the only viewers I'm planning on are recruiters, who would be getting the same information regardless.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by geodel on Sunday January 28, 2018 @08:01PM (#16254612)
I don't know exactly why I do that. But every few weeks I login and browse through 100s of profiles starting with people I know, to suggestions I may know and then acquaintances of acquaintance and so on. I guess it is a mix of gossip and research for my personal consumption.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by runT1ME on Sunday January 28, 2018 @04:56PM (#16253814)
Because Facebook/Twitter/Instagram is blocked at a lot of work places, while LinkedIn is not...
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by uep on Sunday January 28, 2018 @05:08PM (#16253873)
That's ironic. To me, the implication of browsing LinkedIn at work is that you're looking for another job. Whereas if you're browsing Facebook or Instagram you're just wasting time.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by taneq on Sunday January 28, 2018 @10:31PM (#16255149)
That's how I've seen it, definitely. At my old job it was at the point where you could tell who was pissed off at what time by seeing who'd been working on their LinkedIn profile... and after a company-wide announcement, everyone would update within a day or two.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by kikoreis on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:11PM (#16254168)
A lot of inside sales teams use LinkedIn for active prospecting. It's reasonably successful.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by MIKarlsen on Sunday January 28, 2018 @03:56PM (#16253426)
It's a good place to share information I guess. I would've liked it to be a bit more academic if I were to browse it more often. If you work in consulting etc., it's also a nice place to get updates on what people are doing, because everyone (over)shares so much.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by bootlooped on Sunday January 28, 2018 @05:38PM (#16254012)
I think some people that just treat it like another Facebook. I've had several of people I barely know, and who I have nothing professionally in common with, try to add me.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by TallGuyShort on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:42PM (#16254304)
And then people share that "solve this simple order of operations problem to prove you're a genius" bullshit on it, just like Facebook.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by Spooky23 on Sunday January 28, 2018 @04:47PM (#16253762)
LinkedIn is like baseball cards when I was a kid.

There’s two metrics for dick-measuring contests, size of network and quality of network. Linkedin is there to show, yeah I’m a badass who got the <insert big shot here> to link to me, or look at me, I have lots of cards.

There is some actual stuff happening there, but the bread and circus that brings the crowd are those two metrics.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by Diederich on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:57PM (#16254363)
Huh. I have never heard anyone brag about the size of their linkedin network.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by olympus on Sunday January 28, 2018 @07:14PM (#16254433)
LinkedIn network size is almost treated as a binary big/little category to recruiters, because after 500 connections it just shows "500+" instead of the actual number of connections.

So a recruiter sees "500+ connections" and thinks, "this person is serious about [finding a job/networking with professionals/staying connected with colleagues]," or the recruiter sees "79 connections" and thinks, "this person is only on LinkedIn as a formality."

It's not really something to brag about and if you're a perfect fit for a job I doubt your network size will keep you from getting hired (unless you are in a social-heavy career like marketing). But, if you've got 475 connections it's probably worth it to send out 26 more random connection requests to get past past 500 and into that space where the recruiter doesn't know exactly how big your network is.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by drharby on Sunday January 28, 2018 @03:55PM (#16253421)
Really?

I found it a great resource to reach out and break into the tech sector. It only becomes a dick measuring contest when you've no clear goal on the platform.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by ben_w on Sunday January 28, 2018 @04:14PM (#16253543)
How do you do that? I get bombarded with recruiters who don’t read my profile.

“I’m moving to Berlin because of Brexit and looking for iOS roles” -> “Would you like this job in London as a python developer?”

(Given I’m now back in the UK helping family look after a parent with Alzheimer’s while she can still recognise me, I should probably update my profile...)

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by rebeccaskinner on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:23PM (#16254223)
It's really just a special case of the general spam problem. It costs recruiters very little to send out their listing to as many people as possible. People who are unqualified or uninterested in the specific job, or not looking, will typically just not respond. All the recruiters need to do is filter the dunning-krueger responses, pass along a hoard of largely self-filtered candidates to the hiring manager, and try to collect a paycheck.

The only real solution is to somehow make the cost of contact more expensive. I'm not sure of any way to do that other than simply trying to convince enough people to waste enough recruiter time collectively to make the dragnet approach unprofitable. And to be honest, given the churn in the industry, it might be unprofitable anyway- but there are always hoards of new graduates ever year without any particular marketable skills looking to leech onto the industry who become recruiters only to burn out after a few years anyway.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by raugustinus on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:34PM (#16254268)
The real solution would be for companies to start giving a shit to whom they hire and put some effort into finding them.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by peoplewindow on Sunday January 28, 2018 @04:55PM (#16253810)
Either that or they don't believe you will really move, or they believe that with a different job you would stay.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by blibble on Sunday January 28, 2018 @05:37PM (#16254004)
that vote was 18 months ago

if he's still looking after that long in this market they're probably right

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by ben_w on Monday January 29, 2018 @02:23AM (#16255926)
I started looking seriously about 5 months ago. I moved back to the UK one month ago.

And, hard as moving is, I see no future for me in the UK, only a dead parent.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by peoplewindow on Monday January 29, 2018 @04:37AM (#16256448)
I hate to point this out, but Germany's government collapsed last year essentially because there's no consensus there for Merkle's ultra-pro-EU ultra-pro-migrant policies. She's still struggling to form a coalition months later. This is by far the longest German government collapse in history.

So if you think Germany is going to be radically different to the UK, I would suggest thinking again. Anti EU sentiment is rising everywhere.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by ben_w on Monday January 29, 2018 @08:07AM (#16257238)
There are several important things here:

1) All the main German federal parties support the EU.

2) The migration concerns are about asylum seekers rather than EU citizens, because (as I have discovered by trying) German bureaucracy is effective at keeping out speculative job seekers like me.

3) The UK government keeps passing surveillance laws which violate the UK implementation of the European declaration of human rights, and I don’t like that the UK will start getting away with it after they leave the relevant jurisdiction.

4) The UK government has no agreement amongst its own ministers about the strategic goals for Brexit, let alone figured out the relative costs and benefits of different ways to approach it, let alone made preparations for it.

I don’t mean small things either, May said the UK would leave the Customs Union but the Treasury doesn’t want to and nobody has even submitted planning permission for building new customs inspections points.

3 and 4 are the big problems for me. Personally staying in the EU is merely desirable, not Earth-shatteringly vital.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by peoplewindow on Monday January 29, 2018 @01:03PM (#16259291)
What do you mean by "main"? The third largest party in Germany wants to leave the euro. That's why the government collapsed - their new electoral success. Is third largest party not "main"?

W.R.T. surveillance, yes that sucks, but spy agencies have never been accountable to the law in any country as far as I can tell. German BND is exactly the same:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Intelligence_Service_(...

To the extent that they're less effective than GCHQ this reflects maybe a smaller budget or less capable employees, rather than major difference in intent. BND certainly doesn't care about EU human rights law any more than other countries do.

With respect to (4), the EU has no agreement amongst its own leaders about the strategic goals for Brexit either. Merkle and Macron want to exploit it to massively deepen integration, but Merkle is now longer chancellor and there's no clear consensus in Germany for that. Netherlands, Finland, other countries don't want deeper integration. Eastern European countries are busy fighting the commission and want deep relations with the UK after leaving. But the EU can't stop attempting to cherry-pick: the very thing it criticizes the UK for. The only deal it's been able to propose is all the bits the EU wants and none of the things the UK wants, steadily increasing the chance of no deal at all. And that's about 10% of the mess.

The reason Brexit is proving difficult to handle smoothly is because the EU and its loyalists really struggle with the idea of compromise, and extremism always divides people - go watch Darkest Hour and see how even in the face of a far, far, far worse and clearer adversary than Michel Barnier the British government was still split down the middle between "go it alone and fight" vs "appease and hope for the best". No big surprise that the same "give them whatever they want" vs "walk away" tension can be seen now too. That's democratic governments for you.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by ben_w on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:15AM (#16263949)
I’m on a phone so this is only going to be a limited reply:

“Main” - literally all other parties with seats have refused to be in a coalition with AfD. Also, unless they’ve changed position since I last looked (they might, as I don’t look at them often), they are currently anti-€ rather than anti-EU.

Further, the EU’s strategic goals from Brexit is damage limitation and clear resolution. I think you’re mixing up their goal for Brexit itself with the potential post-Brexit futures for the EU, which I think they should be considering about now-ish.

As for the EU’s attitude to compromise, I wish to point out that not only did the EU compromise on budget contributions with Thatcher; not only did Cameron get compromises from the EU right before the referendum; not only did the EU compromise and allow opt-outs on the Euro, Schengen, defence (Denmark’s the only one who wanted that), partial opt-outs of the charter of fundamental rights (“lol” UK and Poland), and something I don’t understand beyond guessing from the name called “area of freedom, security and justice”; in addition to all that, the _point_ of the EU is compromise between member states.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by peoplewindow on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @03:06AM (#16272293)
Indeed, as I said above:

> The third largest party in Germany wants to leave the euro

I presume they feel they have to leave the euro before there is an option of leaving the EU.

It's true that other parties refuse to be in coalition with the AfD. This is a bad move on their part. It doesn't make them not a main party though. Especially because the other parties have also been refusing to be in coalitions with each other too.

Right now German politics is the most disastrous in Europe - all the political leaders hate each other, all have publicly trashed each other, all have been refusing to work together and yet Merkel and her buddies continue to rule as if nothing had happened. It's taking months to form a government because they're trying to figure out which party-destroying, soul-sucking coalition is least unacceptable to them and the voters.

We will have to disagree on the EU's approach to compromise. Yes, it compromised with Thatcher back in the 1980's but that was a different time. The EU was much smaller and its institutions felt much less powerful, so compromise and teamwork was much more important back then. As the EU has grown so have its ambitions and the character of the project has changed. The modern EU is not the same organisation that Thatcher dealt with.

That can be seen in recent events. Cameron was given nothing at all and told to pretend it was some massive sacrifice by other leaders. The British public easily saw through that instantly which is why virtually nobody in the remain campaign referred to his "deal" ever again. A compromise would have been the UK suspending unlimited immigration from the EU. It was made clear that such a thing was never going to be on offer and they thought it was insane to even ask.

As for the opt-outs ... good luck keeping them in the event of a remain vote! The EU sees "opt outs" as some horrible nasty legacy thing that they regret ever happened, not as a basic part of negotiation. Even their phrasing shows what they truly think: Germany and Germans like to refer to them as "special privileges"! I have German friends and debated Brexit with one of them once, that's how she called them and I'm not surprised, they call it "extrawürst" in their language - extra sausage. Deep down Germans know that the EU is an undesirable future, but feel they have to suffer through it anyway for the greater good (elimination of Germany as a country and transference of German pride to Europe, a new country free of the horrible history of their own).

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by whatshisface on Sunday January 28, 2018 @04:41PM (#16253718)
Maybe they are guessing that you might not have updated your profile, when they recruit you inaccurately. (More realistically, they have a quota to fill...)
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by gaius on Monday January 29, 2018 @08:48AM (#16257439)
It’s amazing how many people have a “Senior” prefix that I don’t remember from when I worked with them... or are claiming sole responsibility for a team or even a different team’s project... There is also a trick used by people who attended college but never graduated, list the years and the subject and leave the reader to fill in the blanks, not technically lying but...

The average LinkedIn profile is just if not more fictitious than Facebook. And everyone knows it but plays along anyway.

Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by rinze on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:12PM (#16254174)
It's the culprit of corporate self-help. I don't look at it as anything else.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by chillfox on Sunday January 28, 2018 @07:50PM (#16254577)
The worst thing about LinkedIn is the guys who think it is a dating site. I have completely stopped replying to "recruiters" who contact me on LinkedIn. I still keep it updated though.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by tonyedgecombe on Monday January 29, 2018 @06:31AM (#16256870)
If you aren't using it for career opportunities then why be on it at all?
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by macspoofing on Sunday January 28, 2018 @05:53PM (#16254093)
It's not the same. LinkedIn is a network for recruiters, job-seekers, execs and folks from biz-dev and sales. They dynamics are different. It's very work oriented.
Re:With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, th... by akhilcacharya on Sunday January 28, 2018 @07:20PM (#16254467)
I definitely do this and it is not helping.