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Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by codingdave on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:00PM (#16232927)
> Does anyone think we're in a more dangerous moment now than we were then?

Yes. Then, we had world leaders whose philosophies and policies almost led to war, but who personally didn't really want to go there. Now we have a couple world leaders who don't seem to grasp the significance of their fights, and are just driving their decisions with their own egos.

Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by kbutler on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:47PM (#16233365)
“A statesman is a politician who’s been dead ten or fifteen years.” - Harry S. Truman

This "warmongering" was the rationale for advancing the clock dramatically under Reagan, but Reagan's policies led to the collapse of the soviet union, so two years after Reagan's term, the clock was moved to its safest ever levels (17 minutes to midnight).

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/the-doomsday-c...

Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by cabaalis on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:20PM (#16233102)
Publicly. I highly doubt either of the two leaders you are thinking about really believe nuclear war is an actual option. Mutual assured destruction is still a thing.

Regarding the saber rattling from current POTUS, stating our nuclear arsenal is the most powerful in the world is a non-statement. It changes nothing other than public perception of his political position. It doesn't reduce or increase the power he wields nor does it reduce or increase the power held by NK.

Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by bmm01 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:28PM (#16234847)
There's no mutually assured destruction between the US and NK. The US can destroy NK, but NK cannot annihilate the US, even if it can severely damage many of its urban centers.
Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by Balgair on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:25PM (#16234298)
>I highly doubt either of the two leaders you are thinking about really believe nuclear war is an actual option.

...ummm....

"North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2018

Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by meee on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:38PM (#16233276)
Maybe that was the conventional wisdom at the time. Later we found out that wasn’t as true as we would hope. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUfBc4qQMg The movie this clip is from and the companion book are much more detailed about the realities of the time and the though processes of those world leaders.
Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by atomical on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:19PM (#16233100)
CIA says Kim Jong Un is still a rational actor.
Re:Scientists move Doomsday Clock ahead to 2 minutes to midn... by simonh on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:35PM (#16233253)
He may well be, but consider three things. One, what is the chance that North Korea might undergo a political crisis, precipitated by either internal or external events during his lifetime? Secondly, is there anything he would not do or threaten to do in order to avert that? Finally, to our knowledge there have been several technical errors or accidents that came close to detonating or launching nuclear weapons, both in the US and in Russia. What are the chances that North Korea's technical and procedural controls are better than both, and does his behaviour increase or decrease the associated risks?