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Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by Retric on Thursday January 25, 2018 @09:44AM (#16231020)
I am for immigration, it's just the pseudo indentured servitude that is H1B that I have a problem with.

As to factory outsourcing, I think it's overall a net gain for humanity. Long term there is a finite number of countries and barring societal collapse eventually they will all end up 'developed'. It simply exposes other problems in the US like our horrible social safety net and endemic corruption. So, a small ~2-5% import tax is probably a net gain for US society.

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by ch4s3 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @09:46AM (#16231040)
I agree. I know a number of H1B who would like to start their own companies, but obviously can't because of the visa requirements.

The system is almost designed intentionally to allow the abuse of workers.

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by PacketPaul on Thursday January 25, 2018 @09:58AM (#16231133)
“Almost”? It absolutely is designed to abuse workers.
Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by ch4s3 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:07PM (#16232422)
I'd rather not assume malice when incompetence is a sufficient explanation.
Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by Leader2light on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:19AM (#16231323)
What does it even mean any more to be "for immigration"!

At what point do you feel the USA will have enough immigrants? It's already a nation of immigrants!

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by adamc on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:37AM (#16231494)
I am for free travel and work across "national" boundaries. That means I think the U.S. should be welcoming to others, and we should try to work out deals where our citizens can work abroad.

I believe that the best way to avoid war is to invite everyone to the table, help everyone get richer, do better, be more invested in a peaceful world. In the modern world, war is a nightmare solution.

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by 11_4_time on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:47PM (#16232801)
Europe will soon have a chance to test out your theory:

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/wHXSXEN_EkCmuj8Jnb9I6EVD9g...

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by Retric on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:28AM (#16231393)
Without immigration the US population would be shrinking. So, we need an endless supply of new immigrants to avoid a host of problems now facing Japan.

Second we directly befit from a mix of immigrants from all nations.

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by the-dude on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:31AM (#16231435)
And at the same time brain-draining developing nations. You gotta stay on top.
Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by vec on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:33AM (#16231453)
> At what point do you feel the USA will have enough immigrants?

When net migration into and out of the US approaches zero. Until that point it's about how fast we can acculturate newcomers, which judging from history is "pretty damn fast".

Re:The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem by mcphage on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:25PM (#16233160)
> At what point do you feel the USA will have enough immigrants?

What does "enough immigrants" even mean?