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Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by michaelmrose on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:18PM (#16226869)
Humans prior to modern times haven't ever exceeded the carrying capacity of our environment and haven't had a die out that substantially reduced our population in modern times.

Your thesis other than being fictional also is an emotional appeal to the concept that what is natural is desirable which is wholly unsound both on its face and because any die out sufficient to be effective is entirely likely to not only take civization with it but also reduce our ability to take effective measures to manage our environment as our technology dies with our civilaztion.

The way forward to a managable population size is through raising everyone up to a relaively modern level and the way forward to that population living sustainably is via education.

Edit: Your philosophy that its ok for the more developed nations to wreck the environment leading to mass death presumably among those you regard as your inferiors while relax and have a latte safe behind our metaphorical walls is pure insanity.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by xyzzyz on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:42PM (#16227771)
Humans prior to modern times haven't ever exceeded the carrying capacity of our environment

Can you provide a citation for this? My understanding is that humanity have spent most of its history near the carrying capacity of the environment -- world population was very stable, and the major increases in population happened due to humans figuring out new ways to increase the carrying capacity (e.g through farming), or lucking out into them (e.g. through lactose tolerance genes). At least, could you specify what excatly you mean by "modern times"?

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by taneq on Thursday January 25, 2018 @08:10AM (#16230542)
I don't know what your cutoff for "substantial" reduction but the Black Death killed over 20% of all humans.

Agree that "natural" is too often used as synonymous with "good" when our lives are far superior to what "natural" humans would experience.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by michaelmrose on Friday January 26, 2018 @03:38AM (#16237774)
Original poster "Such events are necessary to keep human population under a manageable number. Throughout human history there have been outbreaks that claimed many lives and stunted population growth for some time"

The black death was a singular public health crisis precipitated by sanitation not an example of the world population periodically resetting to a manageable level.

I am not unaware of the black death I just don't think it represents an example of what poster is arguing for.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by matte_black on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:23PM (#16226907)
Education is not the savior. There is a physical limit to resources here on this Earth. There is only so much food we can make, only so many jobs we can create.

The only way to manage population is to control breeding. That is not a scaleable solution.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by swsieber on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:57PM (#16227138)
Well... not directly. But in societies with more education, the birth rate is lower. Some countries have already dipped below a self-sustaining birth rate.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by stale2002 on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:06PM (#16227192)
Yeah there is indeed a physical limit to human population.

And that physical limit is much closer to 100 billion people, than it is to 1 billion.

Population growth is already on the downward trend, and we are expected to reach population growth neutrality by 2040.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by justadudeama on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:12PM (#16227229)
Do you have some sources on the max amount of people on Earth? Just curious.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by Angostura on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:33PM (#16226993)
> Education is not the savior.

Unless you can educate the world that the Earth has limited carrying capacity and that GDP and population growth aren't necessarily the be-all and end-all.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by groby_b on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:21PM (#16227280)
Malthus called, he wants you to read up on the 20th century.