Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by nugi on Monday January 22, 2018 @03:43PM
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Yup, its like an automaker issuing a service bulliten for 'unintentional parking', or 'rapid decelleration'. I get there must always be some marketing involved, but that breaks down fast when it just feels dishonest. That is fast becoming a trend with Intel it seems. And intel desprately needs trust from an industury that depends on them. I really hope they can refocus, and not die a slow death of 'everything's fine'.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by jlgaddis on Monday January 22, 2018 @06:02PM
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Out of all of these types of terms, I like the aviation industry's term for a crash the most: uncontrolled flight into terrain.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by ihattendorf on Monday January 22, 2018 @06:14PM
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Or rocketry: rapid unscheduled disassembly.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by Waterluvian on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:12PM
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Unequested fission surplus.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by TeMPOraL on Monday January 22, 2018 @06:22PM
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Rocketry's synonym to that is lithobraking.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by bdonlan on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:31PM
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To be fair, controlled flight into terrain unfortunately also has precedent.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by emmelaich on Monday January 22, 2018 @08:55PM
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.. causing rapid plastic deformation.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by sverige on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:31PM
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The phrase I have heard is controlled descent into terrain. Sounds much calmer.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by devopsforlyfe on Monday January 22, 2018 @04:47PM
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Apple did it since approximately forever for kernel crashes as well. Anything to avoid any agency and shift the blame onto the user.
https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by anonred on Monday January 22, 2018 @04:52PM
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From the same page:
> Your computer restarted because of a problem: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...
> Your computer was restarted because of a problem: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by anyfoo on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:53AM
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Isn't that the message you get if you forcefully power off (long-press power) a hanging mac, instead of a panic where it would reboot automatically after the core dump?
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by Karunamon on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:04AM
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Yeah, it is. A kernel panic dumps a vague message into the middle of the screen prompting you to reboot, in a bunch of different languages.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by veidr on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:32AM
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But in recent years, it also reboots quickly enough that you'd have to be sitting there watching to catch it.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by derefr on Friday January 26, 2018 @12:23AM
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> unintentional parking
That one doesn't have to be a euphemism; I could totally see a self-driving car seeing a parking space beside you as you're driving down the road, and suddenly deciding that it would really rather slot itself in there than keep driving.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by kbenson on Monday January 22, 2018 @03:59PM
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I'm not happy with the wording, but if the problem it actually causes the systems to entirely reset and go to post again automatically, spontaneously reboot probably is more accurate than crash, as it implies crash (but the implication may be missed by some). Also, depending on the role of the system, and how often the reboots happen, which is worse of a crash and a spontaneous reboot may be different. A reboot once a day is different than a reboot once every 10 minutes which is different than a continuous reboot prior to completing the boot process.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by rzzzt on Monday January 22, 2018 @04:57PM
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A reboot might be a crash in disguise, followed by a hardware watchdog timeout.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by dboreham on Monday January 22, 2018 @04:33PM
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Worse than that: they were telling the press that “computers were rebooting _more_often_than_normal_”
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by isostatic on Monday January 22, 2018 @06:32PM
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Most people in the press, and their consumers, expect computers to be rebooted on a regular basis. "Have you tried turning it off and on again" isn't just a line from the IT Crowd, it's been the way of the PC world for decades.
Re:Root Cause of Reboot Issue Identified; Updated Guidance
by bch on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:35PM
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Sure, but this is like describing a scenario where automobile brakes are randomly spontaneously being applied as “cars are being parked more often than usual.”
Crash. My PC does not normally reboot without me having asked it to. If it does so, it's a crash (unless it's fucking windows update).