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Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by habosa on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:35PM (#16126447)
I know some people who joined Dropbox as new grads in 2014. The company had <1000 employees and seemed like it had a lot of upside.

The options given out at that time were priced at a $10B and have been basically under water since.

So even if you do join a fast growing company with a good brand and the potential to go public there's still a solid chance you make no money.

Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by teej on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:43PM (#16126519)
Worse than making no money, you could have exercised your stock options for any number of totally valid reasons and lost some or all of that cash.
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by rockinghigh on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:50PM (#16126593)
If you exercised, wouldn't you be able to sell after the IPO?
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by dingdongding on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:58PM (#16126659)
No. You still go thru 6 month lock in period
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by arnioxux on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:14PM (#16126827)
I thought they switched to RSUs? Are you sure that new grad didn't get a mix of RSUs and options?
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by ithinkinstereo on Thursday January 11, 2018 @03:14PM (#16127389)
RSUs are not necessarily better. You get taxed on those as ordinary income. If the grant is large enough, you're effectively stuck with paying tax on an illiquid asset. With options you're only taxed at the time of exercise. So in the case of the 2014 grads, they'd be underwater on the value of their options vis-a-vis the exercise price, but wouldn't necessary have any sunk costs provided they haven't exercised any of the shares. The downside with this situation of course, is that the employees have "golden handcuffs" since if they leave they'd have to exercise within 30-60-90 days or lose their vested, unexercised, options.

For those employees that did exercise their underwater options, one small silver lining is they can write those losses off on future tax returns.

Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by rrdharan on Thursday January 11, 2018 @04:58PM (#16128380)
> For those employees that did exercise their underwater options, one small silver lining is they can write those losses off on future tax returns.

Note this only applies to NQSOs not ISOs - since the gain in the ISO case is taxes as AMT; the loss can only be carried as an AMT loss and applied only if/when you are actually subject to the AMT.

Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by rrdharan on Thursday January 11, 2018 @04:59PM (#16128400)
However, you're only taxed on RSUs if they are actually released to you.

It's possible to have RSU awards that vest without them being released to the employee. This means that (unlike exercised options) you can't sell them on the secondary market, but it also means that you aren't liable for taxes on an illiquid asset.

Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by goialoq on Thursday January 11, 2018 @04:35PM (#16128118)
RSU tax can be paid by selling 25% of shares back to the company, which any reputable company should do.
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by habosa on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:46PM (#16127143)
They did attempt to make good later by converting some of those options to RSUs but some options remain.

Note: I am basing this from one person who shared financial details with me, there may be a large variance in offers to different employees.

Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by seattleeng on Thursday January 11, 2018 @06:33PM (#16129103)
Just to be clear, you're saying that the strike of the option grants (or the 409a) in 2014 was roughly based on a 10b valuation? That does seem to screw over anyone with such options, since it's unlikely they'll see appreciable gain on those. Is this sort of conversion from existing option grants to RSUs common? I know most startups convert to RSUs for new grants eventually, but was unaware that some also apply it retroactively. It's a nice show of good faith to convert them to some # of RSUs on Dropbox's part.
Re:Dropbox Files Confidentially for U.S. IPO by toast0 on Friday January 12, 2018 @02:28AM (#16131094)
It's not uncommon for a company to take a look at the equity incentives it's given to employees, in whatever form and realize it's not worth very much and try to make good by giving replacement incentives. I've been at companies where they replaced underwater options at $N a share with at money options at $M with $M being much less than $N (of course the stock continued downward and I left for other reasons before anything vested); for a not yet public company, poorly priced options being replaced with RSUs makes a lot of sense, because the company may not be able to increase its valuation, but it doesn't want to decrease it, and options issued under FMV don't qualify for exciting tax programs.