News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by jstanley on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:20PM (#16126269)
> It's really not fine at all.

Actually, it really is. I've been accepting 0-conf transactions for nearly a year and had negligible double spends. https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/zeroconf-payments.htm...

The small number of double-spends that did occur since I wrote that blog post I think are mostly due to bad luck (and opportunism) rather than malicious intent upfront, and represent only ~0.1% of payments.

Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by grey-area on Thursday January 11, 2018 @05:29PM (#16128665)
Actually, it really is. I've been accepting 0-conf transactions for nearly a year and had negligible double spends.

So your approach to preventing fraud is... to trust people not to defraud you?

Glad it worked for you with bitcoin and the particular people using your service, but that's not really a good basis for a payment network. There are multiple other problems with bitcoin as a payment network and currency, the delay in transactions (which prompted your experiment in ignoring a key part of the currency) is only one of them.

Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by prepend on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:25AM (#16133547)
All payment systems have some system of loss. Visa/MC have fraud and error that eats away small percentages and relies largely on trusting people not to defraud you.

If you run Starbucks and serve 1000 transactions per day, you’ll have some fraud. If 0.1% are fraud, that’s not too bad.

Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by grey-area on Sunday January 14, 2018 @09:37AM (#16144401)
This isn't a system of loss (systemic loss?), it's an abdication of responsibility - it's giving up on the payment system having any sort of fraud protection.
Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by the_d00d on Thursday January 11, 2018 @07:57PM (#16129542)
You just used the same argument that some parents use when they decide to not vaccinate their children. They essentially rely on the fact that everyone else vaccinates so they don't have to. This trend catches on and now measles are at a 20 year high.
Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by ericb on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:39PM (#16126478)
Interesting that a bunch of arm-chair downvoters "know" this won't work, but in practice, it does...
Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by snowwrestler on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:28PM (#16126961)
Things that work out fine when only a few people are doing them might not work so out so well when a lot of people are doing them. See: the entire history of Internet security.
Re:Bitcoin is no long the only game in crypto-currency town by ericb on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:35PM (#16127040)
Sure but

1-The current solution is worse on this dimension.

2-Since Bitcoin Cash doesn't have replace-by-fee this is impractical for any small transaction.

3-Most of the situations that need to be immediate are small--with the large ones it makes sense to wait.