Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by avip on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @06:28AM
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That sounds like an extremely dangerous law... In bike-crowded cities you will never be able to take a safe right-turn that way.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @08:45AM
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You simply wait for a gap in the flow of bikes, and pull all the way to the curb, so there's no gap. Then you only really have to worry about the bikes in front of you, and any pedestrians in the crossing.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by brewdad on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @11:17AM
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Portland gets this wrong in every possible way. First, drivers turning right must yield to bikes in the bike lane passing on the right (not unreasonable IMO). However, state law also makes it illegal to pull into the bike lane and establish a position to turn right. Add in pedestrians and it's almost impossible to make a right turn on some roads at rush hour.
For some reason, we seem to have a lot of car/bike/ped conflicts.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by PeterisP on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @12:06PM
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Around here it's generally solved by having separate traffic lights for cars, pedestrians and the bike lane, and having some extra time every cycle of lights where it's red for bikes and pedestrians but green for cars to enable those turns.
E.g. this shot in google maps - https://www.google.lv/maps/@56.9578862,24.1189538,3a,75y,240... ; it's green for cars, but red for the bike lane on the right side.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by gambiting on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:53AM
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No, the law clearly says that you can never overtake a vehicle on the right - and it applies to cyclist the same as to everyone else, even if the vehicle wasn't turning right it's illegal for the cyclist to overtake it on the wrong side.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by PeterisP on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @05:12AM
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Do I misunderstand your traffic laws (taken from https://www.retsinformation.dk/forms/r0710.aspx?id=158005) pt. 21 about overtaking, which says "... Cyklist og fører af lille knallert kan overhale køretøjer af andre arter til højre." which seems to translate that it does not apply to cyclists and they can overtake on the right?
And 26.6 "...Ved svingning til højre må den kørende ikke være til ulempe for cyklister og knallertkørere, der kører lige ud. ..." saying that vehicles turning right must yield to cyclists going straight?
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @05:26AM
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Yes, the car must yield, which is why the best approach is to wait for a gap in the flow of cyclists, and then go all the way to the curb, leaving no gap.
Of course, bicyclists will just jump the curb, ride on the sidewalk or overtake on the left, because everyone wants to be in front.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @05:25AM
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No, bicycles and small scooters (limited to 30kph, allowed on bike lanes) are allowed to overtake on the right.
Which is precisely why right-turning drivers should leave no gap between the car and the curb, to claim their space, as it were.
Isn't that how it should be ? I'm not in DK, but in LV traffic laws in such a situation they should ignore the blinker, the driver must wait and turn right only after everyone going straight e.g. those bicycles and also pedestrians crossing the road he's turning to; since the vehicle turning must yield to everyone else.