Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by kbart on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:44AM
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"From personal experience you can easily navigate a roundabout at 35+ mph."
If a roundabout is small enough, you can't. I have seen many small roundabouts throughout Europe that you cannot navigate without swerving faster than 20-30 km/h (which is assumed safe speed for pedestrian).
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by thirdsun on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:13AM
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Plus, at least in my region there always seems to be some sort of obstacle blocking sight in the center of larger roundabouts. Maybe it's just a convenient place for memorials, statues, etc., but I can't help but think that slowing down drivers is at least a welcome side effect.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by pxndx on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:36AM
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The obstacles are intentional. Blocking sight forces people to slow down.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by usrusr on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @08:00AM
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Roundabouts are the very last place where I would consider a bike lane to be a possible net win in safety. If the bike lane has priority at exits, then it will be constantly ignored, if it doesn't, then cyclists would be at the mercy of exciting drivers never forgetting to indicate, resulting in similar bloodshed. Besides being totally shitty towards cyclists who would then have to yield three times for going left at a crossroad-equivalent, at a very uncomfortable viewing angle and with permanent risk of un-indicated exits.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by paulie_a on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:56AM
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I've been curious as to why American roundabouts include unnecessary vegetation or a hill in the middle? Why obscure oncoming traffic?
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by pjc50 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:42AM
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If it's a roundabout, the traffic across the roundabout is not actually oncoming, it's the traffic approaching from your left around the roundabout that you need to watch out for.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by kgwgk on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:07AM
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The obstruction in the middle also makes the existence of a roundabout more obvious.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists
by greenpresident on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:45AM
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Here‘s an example of how they are handled in Germany:
https://goo.gl/maps/cmLVxuhViyF2
The space it requires is not much bigger than the traffic light. That town replaced many of its intersections with roundabouts even in central and older parts of the city.
(You might say they went a little overboard with it, looking at the southern limits near that hospital.)
Motorists still tend to blow through roundabouts at speed if they can't see anything coming. From personal experience you can easily navigate a roundabout at 35+ mph.