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Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by bflesch on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:38AM (#16096598)
I don't understand: Wouldn't Apple just remove their app from the app once they touch payments? Someone will be bitten by compliance, and if Telegram is able to circumvent that then the bucket stops with Apple.

This is what has stopped me from doing payment in my apps until now - you never know when some apple or google employee decides to smash you in the face with the ban hammer.

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by rmc on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:53AM (#16096690)
I suspect that once you get big enough, Apple is reluctant to touch you. Remember, Uber broken Apple's app rules, and were not banned, merely threatened[1]. If Apple removes the app, then who will people blame? The app or Apple? I suspect Telegram might be betting on that.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/04/24/ubers-ka...

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by kayfox on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:55AM (#16096701)
Telegram still concedes to Apple.

You cant join Telegram chats marked as NSFW on iOS devices.

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by pjc50 on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:06AM (#16096762)
That's especially bonkers - you can't use it for private NSFW chat?
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by kgwgk on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:24AM (#16096862)
Probably this restriction is related to the “4+” age rating.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by aceoflzlz on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:24AM (#16096864)
You can. He meant groups or channels whose raison d'être is the spread of pornography.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by goshakkk on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:49AM (#16097039)
You can (for now?) do that with the official Telegram X app though (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/telegram-x/id898228810?mt=8)
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by cordite on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:09AM (#16096783)
Yet you can with discord on iOS.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by AJ007 on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:48AM (#16097031)
It is also opening them to regulation from a lot more than Apple. It is hard enough for a large tech company to deal with conflicting demands of various governments over privacy & censorship. Create a currency and now you can add financial demands as well.

Why are they doing this? Because companies are raising vastly more money and at a faster speed than going the traditional VC or even IPO route right now. The strategy: Make up any reason and do it.

I think the decentralized, semi-anonymous, open source development route can benefit from this approach better in the long term than a centralized for profit company can.

Games may also end up being some of the biggest success stories. When you can actually prove that something is rare, and even potentially decentralize the gameplay, it presents interesting options for anti-cheating and proof of value. What is dumber: crypto kitties or con artists making hundreds of millions of dollars off sloppy copy and pasted documents?

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by frabcus on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:41AM (#16096614)
I don't really understand the Apple policy on payments.

How come, for example, they don't demand their cut from Monzo person to person transfers?

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by nihonde on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:50AM (#16096672)
Isn’t Apple only seeking a cut of sales of digital goods? You can sell physical merchandise like a real book, but you can’t sell an ebook without cutting them in.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by weavie on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:58AM (#16096716)
I thought surely you can buy ebooks on the Kindle app for iOS. But a quick search and you are right - nope, you cannot buy books on the Kindle app for iOS. The option just isn't there.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by jonknee on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:30AM (#16096911)
And you can't even present a link to purchase digital goods through a browser... You can open Mobile Safari and search Amazon for a Kindle book, but you can't use an Amazon app of any sort to do part of it.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by tzahola on Monday January 08, 2018 @10:30AM (#16097367)
Weird, considering the fact that the Bandcamp app lets you buy music digitally via PayPal. Am I missing some important difference between the two?
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by jonknee on Monday January 08, 2018 @11:45AM (#16097916)
I just downloaded Bandcamp for iOS and under Digital Album I see "Not available for purchase on this device" along with links to purchase the physical vinyl or CD.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by tzahola on Monday January 08, 2018 @01:34PM (#16098706)
Hm, you’re right. I didn’t notice it but the album I tried it was “digital download + limited edition print”... mea culpa.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by nihonde on Monday January 08, 2018 @10:50AM (#16097524)
They must be paying Apple their percentage of the proceeds, unless they have an exception.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by tzahola on Monday January 08, 2018 @11:08AM (#16097667)
I'm not sure. I've found this in the App Store Review Guidelines:

>3.1.5 (a) Physical Goods and Services Outside of the App: If your app enables people to purchase goods or services that will be consumed outside of the app, you must use purchase methods other than in-app purchase to collect those payments, such as Apple Pay or traditional credit card entry.

But if this applies to Bandcamp, then it would equally apply to Amazon... So I don't know.

Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by baby on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:46AM (#16097013)
That part really blew my mind. I spent a good 20min trying to find out how to buy audiobooks on audible
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by Sholmesy on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:50AM (#16096668)
That’s clearly different. Same question could be asked for any banking app.
Re:Telegram plans multi-billion dollar ICO for chat cryptocu... by prostoalex on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:32PM (#16100800)
Facebook Messenger supported peer-to-peer debit-card-backed payments for quite a bit now https://www.facebook.com/help/messenger-app/750020781733477/...