This is anecdata but…

I have to reboot my late 2013 MacBook Pro a few times a week, when it freezes or becomes partially unresponsive in weird ways. Previous to High Sierra, I tried to remember to reboot it every few months, mostly out of superstition.

I plan to upgrade to a 2015 model when this one dies, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread and here https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the...

Can confirm that review, my first MBP was the 2015 model with El Capitan, it has been nothing but sheer joy for me. I don't even have to deal with temptation because everything that has come out since has been terrible.

Try the NVIDIA Web Driver for video. The new Metal-based window manager doesn't play well with something about the stock video driver. NVIDIA's is faster for me.

I have more than the usual anecdata, curious when it becomes data. :)

Personally, 6 Macs upgraded and I had one problem that was caused by crappy vendor software which assumed port 8080 would be available for them to use.

In the office we finally got the okay to update everyone and 100s of devs are doing fine. There was a homebrew issue that, if you hit it, required a reinstall, but that wasn’t so bad.

High Sierra finally kills Python 2.6 in favor of 2.7, and I had an app fail that embedded Python 2.6 pyc files as an obfuscation — 2.7 wouldn’t run them. I worked with that developer to debug and got a new build out — they were receiving many reports of High Sierra issues that were all caused by that.

Pretty typical OS upgrade, other than the early stuff — but there’s a reason you don’t upgrade until at least .1 is out!

Who takes the time to write a blog post about how they bought a Mac recently and everything is just going fine as expected? Not many people.

Look at it this way: there are literally dozens of complaints posted in this thread. But Apple sold 5.39 million Macs in the most recent quarter.

You're always going to hear more from people who are unhappy, than the quietly satisfied.

There is also those who silently live with the problems because it is too much work to get a resolution. I no longer use a mac but a few years back there used to be wifi issues with my recent ibook where when you open it up, the wifi doesn't find the network half the time. It took month for any fixes even though this is Apple developed hardware and OS and people were getting no answers on their help website. Eventually it got fixed in one of their updates only to come back on yet another update before finally being resolved.

More anecdata - late 2013 15” Haswell + GeForce 750m rMBP, have literally (and I really truly mean this) had 0 issues. Not a single kernel panic or notable userland software glitch. The only thing that glitches occasionally is plugging into an external monitor, but this has happened on every release since Mavericks (what this laptop shipped with IIRC)

I’ve had no problems with my MacBooks outside of what I’d expect (periodic smc firmware resets), but my wife had nothing but problems with the two nvidia MacBooks she owned.

It was a shame because they were, on the surface, basically the best thing since sliced bread for dgpu on Apple hardware, so you must have gotten a gem :)

Or she just got a few lemons out of the millions manufactured.

My suspicion is that it is to do with the set of third party software and peripherals used.

In my case, that’s a 2nd gen 15” touchbar MacBook Pro, a 15” 2015 MacBook Pro, and a Skylake i7 hackintosh tower. I use Asus and Dell monitors and stick to first party or Mac exclusive third party software wherever possible. All three give me little or no trouble with high sierra... reboots are infrequent (1-2 per month, sometimes less) and are usually done to install updates or boot into windows.

It's more the 2012–14 MBPs... I think Apple just couldn't be bothered to give their QA staff anything that was made before the past couple of years...

I feel like my 2014 rMBP is silently yelping "What have you done to me?" every day.

Try the NVIDIA Web Driver for video. The new Metal-based window manager doesn't play well with something about the stock video driver. NVIDIA's is faster for me.

Don't know myself.

MBPr with the strip myself, High Sierra latest, absolutely no problems. Connect it to external mechanical keyboard and Dell monitor when at work, also have external audio cards and MIDI gear. And many external HDs.

Where exactly are all those issues?

I assume a lot of variables come into play, probably what you use, how you use it, and where you use it.

But it's funny you say that, because that dichotomy seems to define High Sierra; it's either a total mess, or totally forgettable.

I actually didn't have any problems with WinodwsME (seriously). It ran about the same as Windows98 ... I mean still buggy and would crash once a week, but that was the entire Win9x era.

98se2 was solid as a rock for me :)