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Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by bzbarsky on Thursday January 04, 2018 @01:48PM (#16072909)
> Intel products are uniquely vulnerable to the meltdown attack

More precisely, there is only a PoC for Intel at this time. AMD processors are believed to not be vulnerable. Some ARM processors _are_ believed to be vulnerable.

> for most CPUs you can attack userspace processes with these techniques

Spectre can attack the kernel as well, at least according to http://www.tomshardware.com/news/meltdown-spectre-exploits-i... . It's just harder to use than meltdown.

Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by arohner on Thursday January 04, 2018 @01:57PM (#16073001)
That link no longer loads for me.

AIUI, Spectre can be used to attack the kernel, only if you can get code running in kernel-space, via, e.g. eBPF.

Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by contrarian_ on Thursday January 04, 2018 @02:04PM (#16073062)
No, you could also find a gadget with ROP techniques. The eBPF thing in the paper was purely due to convenience of exploitation.
Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by elihu on Thursday January 04, 2018 @09:00PM (#16075897)
I think that's almost but not quite exactly right.

Spectre variant 2 attacks vulnerable indirect jump code patterns that exist in the kernel (or some other process), but doesn't require running the attacker's code.

Spectre variant 1 allows you to infer the contents of memory in the same address space, so that's the one where you'd use eBPF to attack the kernel.

Meltdown (variant 3) if I understand correctly can infer memory contents of other address spaces without relying on any assumptions about the code running in the other address space.

https://security.googleblog.com/2018/01/more-details-about-m...

Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by bzbarsky on Thursday January 04, 2018 @02:06PM (#16073085)
> That link no longer loads for me.

Oh, right, ycombinator's URL parser is broken. I fixed the link to work around the buggy parser....

Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by swsieber on Thursday January 04, 2018 @03:32PM (#16073795)
I'm curious about AMD not being vulnerable, mostly because this page: https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/584653 makes me think that AMD has admitted to being vulnerable.
Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by bzbarsky on Thursday January 04, 2018 @04:03PM (#16074051)
That page talks about both Meltdown and Spectre, as far as I can tell. AMD is vulnerable to Spectre; everyone agrees on that. According to https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution AMD claims it's not vulnerable to Meltdown (aka "Variant Three").
Re:Intel Issues Updates to Protect Systems from Security Exp... by milcron on Thursday January 04, 2018 @04:31PM (#16074257)
See this mailing list post https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/12/27/2