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Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by samfriedman on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:39PM (#16063700)
Longmont, CO also has municipal (gigabit) broadband. At the first attempt, telecoms spent $200,000 to stifle the measure. In 2011 it was tried again, and despite $400,000 in spending by telecoms the measure passed. [0]

Now in Fort Collins, the cable lobby outspent the city $900,000 to $15,000 on campaigning and still lost. [TFA]

I wonder if anti-municipal campaign spending by the telecoms will continue to increase, and just how far they will go before cutting their losses and trying to defeat these plans some other way.

[0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/19/longmo...

Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by jchw on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:38PM (#16064302)
I'm reading this as a side-effect of just how absolutely hated broadband companies like Comcast and Verizon are. They've spent decades ignoring consumers, doing exactly what they don't want, providing shoddy service, providing shoddy support, doing absolutely fuck all other than continuously raking in money.

Now they want us to help them by stomping out government competition? Fat chance. They'll just have to do what they did with net neutrality: spend years and years planting people in agencies and political positions to push their self-interests. I hope they do and I hope it backfires.

I doubt they can blow a million on lobbying in every city that starts talking about municipal broadband, so I'm guessing if this trend continues they're going to switch focus to attempting to outlaw it entirely. Certainly possible, but it seems like a harder target than dismantling net neutrality.

Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by aidenn0 on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @08:02PM (#16067075)
Comcast in particular seems to evoke near-universal feelings of rage, and has done so for decads. I remember a while back, my dad looked into bonded ISDN as an option when we couldn't get DSL just to avoid Comcast (ISDN turned out to be way too expensive, but the moment FIOS was available he switched, after using Comcast for over a decade)

See also Comcast's customer satisfaction scores rise, but are still below the IRS's: http://bgr.com/2017/04/25/comcast-customer-service-scores-20...

Americans in general don't trust the government to provide good services and yet municipal broadband gets strong support from voters almost everywhere. It's really hard to understate how much people don't like Comcast

Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by Simon_says on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @03:12PM (#16064598)
I feel like Comcast/Verizon/CenturyLink were too short-sighted. If they were only 50% as shitty to their customers as they have been, they could have ridden that gravy train for a long time. But instead they treat it as a contest to see who can twist the knife more, and there's such a backlash that they're going to start completely losing big markets.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by bsder on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @04:59PM (#16065656)
Hey, I can't get my 25% executive bonus if I don't somehow squeeze another 2% out of my department's expenses.

This yacht won't pay for itself, you know.

Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by Simon_says on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:30PM (#16065942)
Exactly. That's what I'm getting at. Being public companies means they have to report results quarterly, which gives incentives to juice the numbers with short term gains so long as the costs, like public goodwill and brand reputation, can't be quantified and can't be put on the balance sheet.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by tehlike on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:43PM (#16066085)
Unless you have jeff bezos skills to convince ling term this is better.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by diebir on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @04:11PM (#16065183)
... and it is wonderful in Longmont, CO: $50/month for a gigabit Internet.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by davidw on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @07:46PM (#16066959)
How is it in terms of availability, responsiveness to issues, and those kinds of things?
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by John_Cena on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @06:48PM (#16066637)
In Douglas, CO I get five hundreths of yours for 60 dollars.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by jack_h on Thursday January 04, 2018 @12:40AM (#16068307)
One mile outside of Longmont's service area I get 1/10th of the speed for $80.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by klondike_ on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:24PM (#16065881)
Imagine if they spent that money on infrastructure upgrades instead of on ads
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by blakesterz on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:52PM (#16063842)
It's not clear to me from that USA Today article... what the cable lobbies spending that money on? Advertising aimed at residents? What do those ads look like? Or is it just "lobbying" (bribing) the local officials?
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by ajbourg on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:18PM (#16064105)
In Fort Collins, 2b was a ballot measure. Most of the money went to advertising. I had a hard time finding direct examples online, but this article (http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2017/11/01/fact-check-f...) does have a picture of the many mailers received by some voters. (I lived in Longmont when the second vote happened and can confirm many similar mailings as the article)
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by TWAndrews on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @11:25PM (#16068031)
I live in Fort Collins and can confirm that we were absolutely inundated with mailers, and other forms of ads.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by anderspitman on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:17PM (#16064098)
Advertising is definitely a big part of it. A common angle is to release commercials basically saying, "we shouldn't be spending government money on fiber when we could use that money for [insert emotionally-charged need that could be improved in literally every town in existence]"
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by losteric on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:38PM (#16064299)
Eventually those companies will have to start lobbying for those alternative public investments - the emotional argument is far more effective when <emotionally-charged need> is on the same ballot.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by xigency on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @03:43PM (#16064899)
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by jandrese on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @04:08PM (#16065159)
Money being spent on advertising is a bit of a dubious figure coming from an advertising company. If Comcast is putting local ads on their cable channels saying "vote no", then quoting the retail price of those ad spots is going to inflate the figure. Sure they may be giving up some potential revenue, but the actual cost to the company is not what is quoted.
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by breatheoften on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:16PM (#16065800)
I wonder if they get to claim a tax deduction for “donating” air time in this manner ...?
Re:After beating cable lobby, Colorado city moves ahead with... by jandrese on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:41PM (#16066066)
They would be donating it to themselves, so I hope not. One could maybe imagine a situation where they setup a super pac and have that organization spend the money on political advertising, but that seems so easy of a dodge that the IRS must have a way to detect it.