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Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by whatyoucantsay on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:30PM (#16039362)
Taiwan does indeed have world class health care despite having an exceedingly low tax rate by western standards.

But lets not overlook the elephant in the room.

Taiwan is an island full of thin people who eat rice or noodles at almost every meal. Millions of people still shop primarily at traditional markets and millions of others follow Buddhist diets that would be mocked by western "diet hackers". Only in the past generation has it really begun adopting, and suffering the effects of, western eating habits.

If Taiwanese people ate like Americans and drove everywhere, their health care system would have become bankrupt years ago.

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by kevinjcliao on Sunday December 31, 2017 @01:17AM (#16039613)
Hi there! Taiwanese here. We invented boba (full of sugar and unhealthy), and our cuisine, while delicious, can be incredibly unhealthy. We are actually struggling to confront one of Asia's largest obesity epidemics. I think the notion that we're an island "full of thin people who eat rice or noodles at almost every meal" is not only a problematic and reductionist characterization, it ignores the problems that we face (an epidemic of obesity and an aging population.)

[1]http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2016/04/...

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by keithpeter on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:09AM (#16040021)
Thanks for contributing, quote from OA

"Finally, it began to institute global budgets — caps on the total amount paid for all care — in the hope of squeezing providers into becoming more efficient."

OK, what happens when a part of the system hits the cap in a given year? Rising obesity -> cancer/blood pressure/type 2 diabetes in a decade or two based on UK experience. In UK we spend a large % of GDP on the NHS but that % can't keep rising forever, so I'm interested in alternatives.

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Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by yorwba on Sunday December 31, 2017 @08:14AM (#16040469)
I don't consider it surprising that a Taiwanese would use characteristically un-Taiwanese expressions on an English-language forum. I'm not sure what to think of your approach of suggesting that they are lying, but then self-congratulating your charity for not outright saying that.

While rice and noodles may be staples of Taiwanese food, that doesn't mean that everyone is eating healthy. In the West, you might say the same about wheat flour and potatoes, but when that flour comes in the form of burger buns and cake, and the potatoes in greasy fries, it doesn't seem so healthy.

I don't know how often Taiwanese drink sugary drinks or eat sweets in addition to their meals, nor do I know how much of that rice and those noodles are fried as chow fan or chow mein (and apologies if those are not the words Taiwanese would use), but it isn't hard to imagine that it is more than optimal. That's usually what happens when people are able to afford more food than they actually need, and are able to choose tasty high-calorie high-fat meals whenever they feel like it.

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Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by dang on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:34AM (#16058993)
Please don't be uncivil here; we ban accounts that do this. Also, please give others the benefit of the doubt when commenting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by whatyoucantsay on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @07:25PM (#16120406)
Excuse me?

I've bent over backwards to remain charitable even after receiving uncivil and ideological barbs such as "problematic" and "reductionist characterization" flung at me in the midst of an exceedingly dubious comment.

> https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Read them many times and believe my comment, unlike the ancestor comment, was in harmony with them.

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by wisty on Sunday December 31, 2017 @01:10AM (#16039599)
Taiwan has an obesity rate of >20%. Not quite 35% or whatever the USA is, but still kinda high.
Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by Feniks on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:33AM (#16040686)
Actually obesity in the US is the norm now.

Preventive healthcare should be pushed more. But remember when Michelle Obama said kids should eat more vegetables?

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by dghughes on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:01PM (#16042068)
If they know what a vegetable is.

Jamie Oliver did a show in the US and kids didn't even know what some vegetables were. Jamie showed them potatoes, tomatoes, carrots they may as well been alien the kids didn't have a clue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGYs4KS_djg

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by chillingeffect on Sunday December 31, 2017 @06:35PM (#16043652)
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, but to support your point, they consume waaaay less caffeine and alcohol than the u.s. most are allergic to alcohol. Missing sleep isn't a competitive sport. Their bodies are much more homogenous and obesity I estimate less than 3%.

Also in corporate cafes, foods are still very traditional.

Notably their eyes are relatively poor. Almost 90% have corrected vision. Often in large meeting 100% will be wearing glasses.

Re:How Taiwan transformed its health care system by 35bge57dtjku on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:43PM (#16039387)
That's quite a claim.