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Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by analog31 on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:33AM (#16035926)
>>> If the ride is so great and economics so favorable, why haven’t I seen more adoption here in US and Canada?

The author's answers to this question focus solely on the bike technology itself. This is a common thread in a lot of discussions about cycling: If we only built the right bike, more people would ride. This is usually followed by a CAD rendering of the perfect bike, that looks like nobody would want to ride it.

I don't think it's the bike. I think that there are a lot of cyclists who are simply not candidates for e-bikes because riding under their own power is part of the attraction. I'm one of those people. A friend of mine who loves his e-bike finally gave up trying to understand why I don't want one.

So you have to reach the same people who were deterred from cycling in the past for reasons good and bad. The motor addresses the issue of effort, but not safety, weather, or a variety of other factors, including the fact that driving a car is fun for a lot of people. The e-bike could produce a marginal uptick in cycling, in the short term, but not a revolution.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by Decade on Saturday December 30, 2017 @02:52PM (#16037118)
> I don't think it's the bike. I think that there are a lot of cyclists who are simply not candidates for e-bikes because riding under their own power is part of the attraction.

You should not be asking why bicyclists are not riding e-bikes. You should be asking why motorists are not riding e-bikes.

0.6% of Americans bike to work.[0] 86% of Americans drive, 89% of them alone. If even 1% of motorists switched from driving to e-biking, that would increase the bicycling population by over 100%.

> The motor addresses the issue of effort, but not safety, weather, or a variety of other factors,

The US has a really bad built environment.[1]

> including the fact that driving a car is fun for a lot of people.

Automobile manufacturers spend billions and billions on advertising, convincing people that driving is fun.

[0] https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2015/acs/acs-32....

[1] https://www.strongtowns.org/slowthecars/

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by JKCalhoun on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:16PM (#16036144)
> including the fact that driving a car is fun for a lot of people

Hmmm... Communting to work is fun for people? I want to live where they live.

Keep the car for weekend cruising, the bike probably makes the boring commutes more fun than a car would.

I built an bike 6 or 7 years ago but only took it once to work (a 20 mile commute). It was underpowered and under-batteried but it was an interesting starting point. I mean to try it again.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by analog31 on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:22PM (#16036180)
I think a lot has happened in the past few years, so that it's worth trying an improved motor and battery system.

Winter is a great time to get geared up for the next season, and there might be some seasonal discounts to take advantage of right now!

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by drb91 on Saturday December 30, 2017 @02:28PM (#16036974)
Urban biking is certainly much much scarier and stressful for me than driving is. While I have to vie with cars, I’d rather be a car.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by ant6n on Sunday December 31, 2017 @12:06AM (#16039442)
>>>> If the ride is so great and economics so favorable, why haven’t I seen more adoption here in US and Canada? (...) > I don't think it's the bike.

Indeed. The issue is the infrastructure.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by analog31 on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:34AM (#16046671)
Additional factors are distance and climate, for instance compared to the cities in northern Europe that are famous for bike use. Most of the US gets hotter and colder than those cities, and we have social customs that discourage being sweaty when you arrive at work. Also, our typical commuting distances are longer. When people in Amsterdam have commutes longer than a few miles, they park their bikes at the nearest train station, and ride the train into town.

Thus the "infrastructure" could include public transportation. In my spouse's case, public transit encouraged her to ride her bike because it provides an alternative on days when it's too crappy to ride.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by sliverstorm on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:58AM (#16036059)
The biggest attraction it me would be, not getting all sweaty. But at the same time, wouldn't it be better for me if I trained my body until I didn't get all sweaty on a regular bike?
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by raguuu on Saturday December 30, 2017 @04:35PM (#16037748)
Yes it would, if you really care about the planet and climate change you and I need to sacrifice something. Getting fit while helping doesn't hurt.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by jmcphers on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:26PM (#16039354)
It's worth keeping in mind that riding a bike isn't necessarily better for climate change. Presuming that you aren't actively losing weight, you're eating extra calories in the form of food to power your bike. And the ecological impact of that food can easily be greater than that of biking.

For example, buying 1kg of beef has the same ecological impact as driving 63 miles in a car[0]. However, that 1kg supplies you with only 2,500 calories[1]. At ~50 calories per mile[2], you get 50 miles of biking out of the beef--less than what it took to get the beef to you. It feels like you're saving the environment by not driving, but you're actually doing the exact opposite!

Of course, most environmentally conscious people aren't going to have a diet that meat-rich. But it's something to keep in mind if you're trying to reduce your carbon emissions by biking.

[0] http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html

[1] https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list?qlookup=23568

[2] https://www.livestrong.com/article/135430-calories-burned-bi...

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by markc on Sunday December 31, 2017 @01:50AM (#16039688)
>It's worth keeping in mind that riding a bike isn't necessarily better for climate change.

Don't be absurd. Nobody should worry that they're hurting the planet by riding a bike. Your calculation omitted the impact of creating and disposing of the car. Your calorie projections assume riding at a strenuous pace, most bike commuters don't. You assume a nearly all beef diet which is ridiculous. There is no reasonable calculation that would show biking worse than driving for the environment.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by analog31 on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:32AM (#16046653)
This seems like more of an appeal to not eat beef, than about the relative merits of cycling and driving. In my case, I eat mostly foods from the bottom of that carbon footprint table, which is a factor of 10 reduction.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by jpollock on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:43AM (#16035973)
I commute 38m/day, and tried an e-bike. Since it was speed limited to 19mph, it didn't save me any time compared to self-powered riding, and it provided considerably less exercise - about the same as walking.

I had to return the bike after a week. :)

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by analog31 on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:30PM (#16036220)
Admittedly, 19 mph would be a considerable increase for me. ;-)