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Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by macintux on Friday December 29, 2017 @01:57PM (#16031164)
The casual evil perpetrated by children (regardless of age) with no concept/concern of consequences.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:05PM (#16031226)
To me, this is the equivalent of blaming a person when a fanatic kills in response to some perceived offense to their belief system written by that person.

There's absolutely no way that an anonymous call alone should lead to a death except in a freak, extremely rare accident.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by dsp1234 on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:25PM (#16031363)
The poster above comments on 'casual evil'. Can you identify what you think takes swatting out of the 'casual evil' bucket and puts it any other bucket? Because, it definitely stops being a 'prank' when multiple guns are involved.

There are literally no good consequences from a swatting, only bad consequences. I would argue that most actions that have literally no chance of good consequences, and high probably of bad consequences (minimum ruining a persons day and wasting police resources), are pretty good candidates for evil.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:41PM (#16031464)
I know that nowadays "evil" has been debased a lot, but I wouldn't consider "wasting police resources" evil. Wasting a person's day shouldn't happen either - at most, a couple of hours.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by goatlover on Saturday December 30, 2017 @01:29AM (#16034149)
It's not the wasting police resources that are evil, it's the causing a dangerous situation to happen where people can get shot.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by Zarath on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:16PM (#16031300)
Fault isn't a binary thing. It's the parent's fault for not raising their children better, it's the children's fault for not knowing better, it's the police's fault for shooting, it's everyone else's fault for perpetuating a society in which this happens.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by ademup on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:33PM (#16031406)
I cannot down vote, and would rarely do so if I could, but I would here. You are blaming the hurricane on the butterfly. One guy pulled a trigger and killed someone.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by archagon on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:45PM (#16031491)
I couldn't think of a more absurd reply to this incident. The whole point of swatting is to get the cops to break into your house and shake you up a bit. Anyone who's been online for the past decade knows just how trigger-happy police in America can be, and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. This was a game of chicken fueled by a remarkable lack of empathy and conscience.

You don't get to wash your hands of the blame just because you didn't pull the trigger.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by nkrisc on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:42PM (#16031466)
It is not even close to blaming the hurricane on the butterfly.

While it should not be possible for such a prank call to lead to a lethal outcome, it currently is entirely possible and realistic for such an outcome to occur in our society today. The perpetrator knew that was a very probable outcome, and used that knowledge to intentionally instigate such a scenario in order to achieve that outcome.

Just because he didn't pull the trigger doesn't mean he doesn't share any blame.

The world is not the perfect, logical, orderly fantasy-land you seem to think it is.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:24PM (#16031359)
Moral fault? Possibly, but minor. But I certainly don't think it should be a legal fault - at most, a fine for wasting the police's time.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by slantyyz on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:46PM (#16031506)
Wasting the police's time is calling them to arrest the kid next door for stealing an apple from your tree.

Calling the police for a large armed response for a fake domestic violence situation is on a whole other level. IIRC, domestic violence calls are among the most dangerous that the police face, so I guess it wouldn't be a huge leap to think they would be on edge in those circumstances.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by macintux on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:33PM (#16031410)
I'm sorry, wait, what? Swatting should be at most a fine? I hope I misread that.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:40PM (#16031450)
Nope, you didn't.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by macintux on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:49PM (#16031534)
This should be the legal equivalent of involuntary manslaughter. I certainly hope that's how it is prosecuted.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:51PM (#16031546)
I agree with that - the cops should definitively be prosecuted under that charge.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by macintux on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:56PM (#16031580)
I honestly don't know how to respond to your level of moral apathy towards the person who initiated a series of events that could predictably, and indeed did, lead to the completely unnecessary death of an innocent person and traumatization of a family and a police force and a city.

The police definitely share some blame, but swatting is absolutely abhorrent. It is not a victimless crime, it is not a casual prank, it is unacceptable, and your indifference is incomprehensible.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by iagooar on Saturday December 30, 2017 @03:59AM (#16034484)
You forget that in any normal - I repeat, NORMAL - country, police would not have killed an innocent person no matter what.

I get sick when I think that one phone call and a random address can get INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS killed. Is this the American idea of being the greatest nation on earth?

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by ryanlol on Friday December 29, 2017 @03:44PM (#16031854)
If swatting deserves more than a fine, then you're living in a deeply fucked up society and should probably focus on fixing that first.

What you're suggesting would sound utterly ridiculous to someone in Europe.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by DanBC on Saturday December 30, 2017 @09:16AM (#16035296)
People who make hoax bomb calls in the UK get prison sentences.

12 week sentence, suspended for 18 months. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales- news/bomb-hoax-caller-tells-judge-13811047

18 week sentence, suspended: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-42255427

12 month sentence (not suspended, I think) http://www.legalcheek.com/2015/02/breaking-news-nazi-bomb-ho...

2 years for a combined bomb hoax and blackmail: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/29/g4s-employe...

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by hanbura on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:47PM (#16031507)
Swatting is clearly harmful intend that goes way beyond wasting police resources.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:52PM (#16031556)
Calling what they did "swatting" is already a perversion. They made a phone call. Deploying a SWAT team is not, and can not be their decision.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by nkrisc on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:44PM (#16031480)
Knowing that the situation could very easily escalate to a lethal outcome and using that knowledge in order to attempt to achieve that outcome is not a moral fault?
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:44PM (#16031488)
What's your evidence that they had the intention of achieving a lethal outcome?
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by nkrisc on Friday December 29, 2017 @06:45PM (#16032838)
That's for the court to determine. Practically speaking though, it's hard to imagine any other reason for doing what he did.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by goatlover on Saturday December 30, 2017 @01:27AM (#16034142)
You can't be serious. I hope the swatter spends several years in jail for this.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by juicyfroot on Friday December 29, 2017 @01:59PM (#16031176)
The officer shot without questions asked.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by dymk on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:03PM (#16031206)
Clearly both of the mentioned groups are guilty of some wrongdoing.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by juicyfroot on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:11PM (#16031274)
One made a prank, misleading dangerous and fraudulent phone call.

One shot an unarmed man in the face/body.

One of those scenarios is not like the other in terms of magnitude.

Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by kazagistar on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:44AM (#16035977)
Phone calls that are intended to cause violence, terror, and possibly death aren't what I would call a "prank". They might still be different in magnitude, but both should involve a jury and jailtime.
Re:Call of Duty gaming community points to ‘swatting’ in Wic... by UncleMeat on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:51PM (#16033325)
"Prank" is not the right word here.