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Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by MBCook on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:19PM (#16025473)
If Apple hadn’t made this change those phones would have randomly turned off instead. Those people probably would’ve gone and bought either a new were iPhone or switch to android like you did.

On the whole I don’t think this would have caused anyone to spend money they wouldn’t have otherwise. Perhaps they would have stayed with their phone longer.

It’s hard to tell, and this is certainly worse than if they had just told people about the battery in the first place (although I imagine THAT would’ve become a scandal two).

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by DSMan195276 on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:29PM (#16025564)
You completely missed his point. If Apple had made the issue clear, he could have just paid for a battery replacement instead of a completely new phone. And they clearly knew the battery was the problem.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by MBCook on Thursday December 28, 2017 @07:48PM (#16026538)
Apple certainly should have communicated the real issue, I have no problem with that idea.

The idea I’m arguing against is that Apple either did nothing or purposefully made it worse. They tried to fix one bad problem (random shutdowns) and it caused a different, although less severe, problem.

Apples move to retard performance to keep the phone from suddenly dying was a GOOD move. It wasn’t a scam as some others have claimed.

But obviously they should have communicated to the user that they knew there was a battery issue.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by DSMan195276 on Friday December 29, 2017 @09:37AM (#16029635)
> It wasn’t a scam as some others have claimed.

It is a scam if they're not making it clear to the users why their phone is suddenly being slowed down. The fact is, even if battery issues are a perfectly fine reason to be doing this, by not making that clear to users and instead leaving them in the dark with a now extremely slow phone (Just in time for their new releases!) they are scamming their users.

If you took your car into a dealership, and instead of telling you that you had a bad battery (That they've known was already going bad in similar cars) they told you that they don't know what's wrong with it, but that they have lots of other cars you can buy, would you consider that a scam? I certainly would.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by fortylove on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:40PM (#16026852)
Obviously.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by krutzger on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:26PM (#16025534)
>If Apple hadn’t made this change those phones would have randomly turned off instead.

Why is apple the only company with this problem?

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by hk__2 on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:52PM (#16025769)
> Why is apple the only company with this problem?

It’s the only one people care about enough. Apple gets a major "scandal" almost each year about something that affects every single smartphone company on the planet. Think of the antenna-gate or the bending issues. Lots of non-Apple phones have shown these issues, and the random shutdowns are no exception [1].

[1]: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/20/some-nexus-6ps-have-...

(updated to add a link)

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by arvinsim on Thursday December 28, 2017 @07:43PM (#16026514)
That's natural since iPhones are being touted as the premium option while putting down Androids as "cheap" phones.

It's all about expectations.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by ovao on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:49PM (#16026884)
Others may tout Android phones as “cheap”, but does Apple? I don’t actually recall Apple doing any negative marketing against Android.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by krutzger on Friday December 29, 2017 @01:43PM (#16031079)
Are you kidding me? How many WWDC and product introductions have you attended?
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by ovao on Friday December 29, 2017 @05:29PM (#16032471)
I’ve never been to WWDC. I watched the most recent iPhone announcement and I don’t specifically remember any negative commentary against Android. Hence my comment and my question.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by yen223 on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:36PM (#16025631)
Plenty of non-Apple phones suffer from random shutdowns and restarts due to faulty batteries.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by lowtolerance on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:07PM (#16026650)
They aren’t. Lots of devices utilizing lithium ion batteries experience similar issues once they get some age.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by greedo on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:59PM (#16026922)
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by lettergram on Thursday December 28, 2017 @09:06PM (#16026964)
You have sure done a lot of these posts...

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=cz2ghoxghk3&sort=byPopularity&...

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by computerex on Thursday December 28, 2017 @10:21PM (#16027257)
Can you stop spamming this? This isn't reddit.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by dandersh on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:32PM (#16026071)
"If Apple hadn’t made this change those phones would have randomly turned off instead"

If Apple hadn't redlined the CPU to hit benchmarks the battery wouldn't have been in such a poor state to need to be shut down/throttled so early in its lifecycle.

They are 100% to blame this situation and have taken the least consumer focused choice up until this point.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by MBCook on Thursday December 28, 2017 @07:49PM (#16026544)
What percentage of maximum CPU should all phones be restricted to to prevent causing these kind of issues?

That doesn’t seem like a reasonable solution.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by dandersh on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:03PM (#16026613)
It's more than reasonable to expect a manufacturer to not stress their (recently released) hardware to the point of it being damaged without significant throttling or flat out shutting it down.

But if it is that reasonable than surely there is a long list of electronic devices that do such a thing...

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by MBCook on Thursday December 28, 2017 @10:12PM (#16027220)
I agree, I simply don’t believe that the iPhone is not designed to be able to run at full speed a reasonable fraction of the time.

The implication that I keep getting from people seems to be that Apple is running their phones at 140% and when the battery can’t keep up they then slow it down to make up for the CPU being underprovisioned on battery.

I think it’s far more likely that Apple is running the phone at 100% of what it was designed for. When the battery ages they were running into problems with the phones having to shut themselves down (perhaps the newer chips were more sensitive to power fluctuations?) so they’ve started throttling to under 100%.

In a desktop analogy: I don’t think this is the equivalent of some company selling overclocked CPUs and lying about how fast they were. I think this is closer to a case of the computers just ended a clogged with lots of dust and had to throttle to prevent serious damage after a few years.

Obviously they should’ve told the user but I don’t think they set out from a malicious standpoint.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by dannyw on Friday December 29, 2017 @05:32AM (#16028749)
In that case, why don't Android devices face sudden shutdowns as frequent as iOS devices (yes, you can point to isolated cases, but it is nowhere as prevalent as Apple devices pre-throttling)?

Note that this problem only occurred on devices where Apple fully designed the chips (iPhone 6 and later). "Off the shelf" chips, and those used for Android, simply have a lot more of a voltage window.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by theshrike79 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @10:21AM (#16040870)
Because no one cares or names it a "-gate" when one Android phone, consisting of <10% of the whole Android phone market has the same issues.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by ohiovr on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:17PM (#16025971)
Sounds like a 2017 exclusive problem.