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Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by foobarian on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @12:03PM (#16016045)
On the other hand there is X files.

There really needs to be an "engineer plot" genre where plot stays consistent to a small set of made up axioms. "The Strain" made an attempt. It boggles the mind why not in a single one of the zombie stories out there nobody bothered to wonder where the zombies get the energy? The way most of them work it's like cold fusion landing in one's lap.

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by qznc on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @01:47PM (#16016907)
People who love this genre hang out at https://www.reddit.com/r/rational They call it "rational fiction".

There is quite some overlap with fan fiction, because people like to "fix" non-rational fiction. Eliezer Yudkowsky and his take on Harry Potter is the prime example. I can also recommend Alexander Wales who also made original fiction.

Probably the oldest related work is A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain.

Another name mentioned often in this genre is Brandon Sanderson and especially his Mistborn series, but I have not read it personally.

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by jaibot on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @03:11PM (#16017641)
Alexander Wales' rationalist take on Superman, "The Metropolitan Man", is great.

Text: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10360716/1/The-Metropolitan-Man

Free audiobook: http://www.hpmorpodcast.com/?page_id=1705

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by foobarian on Thursday December 28, 2017 @11:31AM (#16023025)
I can't thank you enough for this pointer. Just what I had in mind :-)
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by qznc on Thursday December 28, 2017 @03:44PM (#16024751)
A slightly better pointer might be the wiki of the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/wiki/index
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by gaius on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @01:30PM (#16016782)
in a single one of the zombie stories out there nobody bothered to wonder where the zombies get the energy

You will enjoy the book "The Girl With All The Gifts"

Spoilers in link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_with_All_the_Gifts

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by Houshalter on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @03:21PM (#16017708)
In 28 days later the zombies all starve to death after six months or so. The hard part is just surviving that long without getting infected. Most zombies in fiction are implied to be supernatural though. So a scientific explanation is unnecessary.
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by krapp on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @12:33PM (#16016341)
>It boggles the mind why not in a single one of the zombie stories out there nobody bothered to wonder where the zombies get the energy? The way most of them work it's like cold fusion landing in one's lap.

Zombies, like vampires in the pre-industrial age, are meant to represent the horrors that lurk beyond the limits of human understanding and control. Although I'm sure some author has attempted to "harden" zombies like that, to me the more you try to explain them, the less effective they are as monsters. Because they don't work rationally, they're demons of the Id.

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by foobarian on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @12:50PM (#16016465)
Speaking of monsters from the Id, Forbidden Planet was another excellent piece of SciFi with a consistent logical framework.

(Also: Leslie Nielsen's first starring role).

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by krapp on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @06:45PM (#16019107)
Also, IMHO, one of the best designed robots ever to appear in cinema[0].

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robby_the_Robot

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by erikpukinskis on Thursday December 28, 2017 @02:22AM (#16020822)
I thought vampires were more about people who feed energetically on other people. Child molesters and the like.
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by teilo on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @02:59PM (#16017563)
> It boggles the mind why not in a single one of the zombie stories out there nobody bothered to wonder where the zombies get the energy?

From brains. Duh. ;)

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by logfromblammo on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @05:03PM (#16018429)
I know someone who once trapped a cockroach in a box and sealed it shut. When the box was opened, years later, the roach was still alive. It had eaten some glue on the inside of the box, and then went into a kind of torpor, simply waiting for either death by dehydration or starvation or an opportunity to escape, whichever came first.

Zombies are like that. They gorge on fatty foods, like brains, bone marrow, and body fat, then go into an induced stasis that outwardly resembles death.

The zombinism vector is undoubtedly an endoparasitic fungus related to Cordyceps. Mycelium spreads throughout the host during the infection, preferentially following existing neural pathways, and flooding the body with antibiotics, to kill native gut bacteria and other possible putrefying factors. The normal digestive functions are destroyed. The regular circulatory system is destroyed. The only elements preserved are sensory organs, muscles, skin, and bones. All other functions are replaced by the fungus. The mycelium, as it followed the existing neurons, actually grows into a replacement brain and nervous system as it destroys the host's nervous system.

The copy isn't perfect, though, and genetically hardcoded structures produce an instinctual desire to seek out and eat more fat. Destroying the head does not actually kill the fungus, but it does remove its ability to create a facsimile of a mammalian brain, by scrambling the template. It could still make the muscles twitch, but would have no means of coordinating them into coherent movements.

I would therefore expect a zombie running low on energy to have almost no fat left, and ascocarps growing out of it all over, like cactus spines. It would probably resemble a spiky mummy. Any rotting appearance would be due to colonies of microorganisms that have evolved resistance to the fungal antibiotics.

So it's not just eating brains, but also not spending as much energy as a human normally does while using the organs evolved to keep a human brain alive.

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by Endy on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @12:16PM (#16016183)
Kind of like Mobile Suit Gundam in that sense? Everything matches the rules established and follows logically from it?
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by thaumasiotes on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @02:44PM (#16017415)
> There really needs to be an "engineer plot" genre where plot stays consistent to a small set of made up axioms.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicAIsMagicA

Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by baddox on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @12:43PM (#16016422)
Slow zombies probably don’t pose a huge “where does the energy come from” problem.
Re:A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age by QAPereo on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @01:51PM (#16016949)
Zombies which don’t rapidly decay and fail make no rational sense, but that kind of zombie also makes for a lousy zombie tale. Zombies represent anxieties about life, death, disease, being eaten alive, etc.