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Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by escapologybb on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @10:52AM (#16009092)
Here's a quick question I hope somebody can shed some light on. I live in a small-ish town in Yorkshire, probably a couple of miles square and was wondering about the feasibility of using these little devices to create a mesh network to extend my home network.

The reason being is that I have lots of Internet connected devices which watch over me whilst I'm in the house, being Quadriplegic it's much more comforting to have a computer watch over my health and do things for me than it is to have a potentially tired, angry and/or bored person doing it. However, that bubble ends as soon as I pass out of Wi-Fi range.

So obviously I would like to extend coverage to cover my smalltown, but everything I've seen so far has been prohibitively expensive. It wouldn't need to have a massive amount of bandwidth available as it would be just me using it, but it would need to be fairly cheap and as near to 100% reliable as possible.

Any insights, questions, comments? TIA

Edited To Add: I've just measured it using Google Earth and I need to cover a circle with an area of about one square kilometre.

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by j_s on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:19PM (#16009940)
LoRaWAN packet received at record distance of 702 km | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15201692

Specifically mention of two Ubiquiti M900 (~$130 each) for line-of-sight internet from home.

Related discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15246659

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15480551

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by sputr on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @10:58AM (#16009117)
Maby contact these guys: https://wlan-si.net/en/

They are(were) deploying wifi mesh networks on the cheap in Slovenia. They've covered entire towns that did not have internet access in the past (mesh network in the town + string of directed antenna to get an uplink from a bigger town). Routers they used cost in the range of 15€ each, but the last time I talked to them they had trouble supplying new routers.

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by escapologybb on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:24AM (#16009242)
Thanks for the link, I will definitely get in touch with them. Paying for the equipment isn't the issue I don't think, it's the expertise and looking for.
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by mschuster91 on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @10:55AM (#16009103)
Uhhhh. I'd take a look at LoRaWAN or SigFox technology, but that needs appropriate support in your IoT stuff.

The alternative would be a small battery-powered 4G hotspot like the Huawei E5573CS-322.

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by escapologybb on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:25AM (#16009251)
I had never heard of either of those two technologies but I would definitely do some googling now, thanks for the tip.

I would rather avoid a 4G hotspot attached to my wheelchair for a couple of reasons, chief among them is the data costs would be really high. If I were to extend my home Wi-Fi network I've already paid for my Internet connection, I'm just making my home Wi-Fi network WAY BIGGER than it was intended to be. :-)

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by mcroydon on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:30AM (#16009275)
The Heltec WiFi LoRa 32 (http://www.heltec.cn/project/wifi-lora-32/) and clones are a solid place to start if you want to investigate LoRa. Pycom (https://pycom.io) has several chips including one that does both LoRa and Sigfox.

Espressif also have a shorter distance but lower power option that uses WiFi tech called ESP-Now that is worth looking at: http://espressif.com/en/products/software/esp-now/overview

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by bicubic on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:56PM (#16009764)
Your links sent me down a rabbit hole of Iot stuff and now I'm super excited about it. Had no idea that lte-m is so widespread.

It's only a matter of time before it's easier and cheaper to get any kind of networked devices onto a carrier network than the users wifi. The implications are kinda scary though: does this mean it's only a matter of time before the majority of personal devices talk to their users with a telco/govement middle man network?

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by jacquesm on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:01AM (#16009134)
Is a cell phone based system an option?

Reliability is going to be the hard part.

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by escapologybb on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:26AM (#16009259)
It's not totally out of the question but from what I can see it would be prohibitively expensive after a while, whereas an upfront cost for some low-cost networking hardware that would then get its Internet connection from my home router would be much cheaper in the long run. I think.
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by clort on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:24PM (#16009557)
I bought a huawei 4g mobile wifi device off ebay for about 25 quid earlier this year, and have a 3 sim card (the huawei device is branded 3 anyway, but they don't lock them) with 20Gb/mo data for 15/mo but you can get cheaper contracts since you don't need that much data. I run it from 12v, pretty sure you could mount it on an electric weelchair..
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by pwaai on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @02:10PM (#16010294)
curious how much you are paying for 15GB / month? just wanted to compare with Canada.
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by clort on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @02:12PM (#16010303)
sorry I forgot the pound sign don't show on HN ..its 15 pounds sterling per month for 20GB
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by pwaai on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @02:19PM (#16010344)
ah no worries...just wanted to see how much we are behind the rest of the world.

so 15 pounds in CAD is ~ $25

so 15 pounds for 500mb/month in Canada...

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by kerridge0 on Friday December 29, 2017 @07:00AM (#16029049)
You can pick up three sim cards prepaid with 12gb data for about £23 on occasional sales which last 12 months if you don't use the data.
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by driverdan on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:17PM (#16009516)
If you're not using a lot of data a mobile phone is a great way to do it. Low end Android phones are cheap and surprisingly powerful. Prepaid phone plans are inexpensive.
Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by michaelt on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:24PM (#16009978)
ee pay as you go offers 100mb for 30 days for £3.

Gonna be hard to beat that, cost-wise, with anything reliable and covering a large area.

Re:ESP 8266 Wi-Fi Repeater with Mesh Networking by kingosticks on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:51PM (#16010178)
Cost-wise Three.co.uk/datareward is pretty good. 200mb free every month.