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Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by jsilence on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:39PM (#15981552)
> Arguably, this does more to prevent obsolescence than plan it.

Why not simply make the battery replacable?

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by kemiller on Thursday December 21, 2017 @03:01PM (#15982303)
I'm assuming you mean user-replaceable, since as others have pointed out, it is replaceable by a technician. And the answer is: it would compromise too many other areas of functionality. User-replaceable batteries would mean both internal housing hardware to create a bay, electrical contact interface, and housing for the battery itself. These would either add weight and bulk, or reduce the capacity of the battery overall, and it would make waterproofing much harder. I personally very much prefer the trade-offs Apple has made, and I suspect a lot of other people do too.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by QuotedForTruth on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:49PM (#15981632)
It is replaceable, just not replaceable without expertise and tools. Would you say that most of your car parts aren't replaceable?
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by michrassena on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:15PM (#15982827)
Sure, and so are the motherboard, screen, digitizer, etc. But that doesn't make it consumer-friendly. The battery in my phone is also user replaceable. A new battery costs almost $20, and requires me to pull the back cover off the phone with my fingernails. Whatever excuses a company makes for not offering that feature really just boils down to making money.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by tcdent on Thursday December 21, 2017 @05:25PM (#15983417)
I'll take removing two screws to access the internals over having the entire thing fly apart when it's dropped on the ground any day. Do you remember removable batteries and cases from the early Nokia days? Even a minor jolt could interrupt the power supply and freeze the phone, so even if it didn't explode into four pieces, you still had to disassemble it and re-insert the battery.

Solid construction and mechanical fasteners are a feature. Servicing any part of an iPhone is not that hard; lack of serviceability is a myth.

Additionally, batteries are not the most commonly replaced part. So far my SE has had four screens and a lightning connector. I'll do the battery myself when I notice performance degrade, too.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by jrace on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:44PM (#15982153)
The battery sure is, and so are the tires, windshield wipers, seats, etc.

have non-replaceable ram and cpu is one thing, but a part that is known to deteriorate with age and usage should be user replaceable.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by mikeash on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:49PM (#15982197)
It is user replaceable. You can buy the part and the tools and do it yourself if you're handy with a screwdriver. It's not a simple matter of snap-out/snap-in, but it's not much harder than replacing a car's windshield wipers, and much easier than something like replacing tires or brake pads.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by nightski on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:44PM (#15983079)
I've done this on many phones. The phone often isn't the same as it was initially because it was not designed for this. Many phones have tape that has been adhered through the use of heat. Changing the battery requires removal of many screws and disassembling very sensitive parts. Little mistakes can make the phone inoperable.

Not to mention you take it to a technician who has the tools and you'd assume is doing a good job right? No, often it's some high school kid who is not invested in doing a good job but rather just getting it done. It's sloppier than if you were to do it yourself. So you have to resort to buying hundreds of dollars of tools and taking painstaking hours to get it done right and even then it might not turn out.

To the other posters who argue'd that we make a choice about this - no we really don't get a choice. If you want a cutting edge phone there are simply 0 options with replaceable batteries. This is planned obsolescence in an age where my several year old Motorola works just fine for my needs.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by mikeash on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:52PM (#15983132)
Hundreds of dollars of tools? iFixIt sells a kit with tools and a battery for $25.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by nightski on Thursday December 21, 2017 @09:42PM (#15984854)
Certain phones can be done with a cheap kit. Some require heat guns (for certain adhesive tape) and more advanced equipment. Plus if you don't want to take any risk you really should have an anti-static environment with proper grounding.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by nielsbot on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:56PM (#15982261)
The car is a good analogy.. As @mikeash said, it is replaceable, you just need tools, parts and expertise (and time and willingness). Same as replacing parts on your car.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by emmp on Thursday December 21, 2017 @03:19PM (#15982418)
It is just as user replaceable as those car parts, if not more so. It requires only a few cheap tools, some time, and maybe watching a YouTube video example before starting. I'm generally more comfortable dissembling my phone than my car since the consequences of messing up are much smaller.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by ghaff on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:49PM (#15982205)
Returning to your car, so like your timing belt for example?
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by komali2 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:53PM (#15981668)
It's a "regular maintenance" type thing - less common than an oil change, sure, but perhaps just as necessary. So why not make it as easy as an oil change?
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by metafunctor on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:57PM (#15981711)
Having done both, I can tell you that replacing the battery on an iPhone is already easier than an oil change on a typical car. The iPhone parts are expensive, but it's a relatively simple operation for a trained person.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by abakker on Thursday December 21, 2017 @03:52PM (#15982633)
Not to mention that an Apple battery replacement is about the same cost as having someone change the oil in your car if you use full synthetic. I just don't get the complaints. If the battery is dying, get a new one. If you don't want to spend the money, then Apple has provided a feature that lets your phone keep running.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by waterphone on Thursday December 21, 2017 @06:35PM (#15983935)
I mean, I'll agree that replacing a battery on an iPhone is a rather easy thing to do, but it's definitely still easier to change a car's oil…
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by JSONwebtoken on Thursday December 21, 2017 @05:15PM (#15983351)
Not to mention there are an infinite number of 5 minute tutorials on YouTube. You don't have to be trained, you just need a set of eyes and a brain. I'm glad an increasing number of phone manufacturers, not just Apple, put form factor and durability above user laziness.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by jelder on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:07PM (#15981804)
Cars, you may have noticed, are big. Apple has made a tradeoff between replaceable batteries and small phones, and the market has more or less agreed with this decision.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by davrosthedalek on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:39PM (#15982088)
Did the market know that their phone will be slowed down after a year? I don't think it was an informed decision.

An informed decision might yield the same outcome though.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by valuearb on Thursday December 21, 2017 @03:36PM (#15982511)
One of the reasons I upgraded to an iPhone X was that my 6 Plus was getting slow. I'm just now finding out that I could have replaced the battery for $85. Am I mad!?

No, I'm not. 3 years is long enough for a smart phone, I probably would have replaced it anyways. And I like the X way more.

My guess is most people plan to replace their phones after 2 years, and few have this problem before that. So disclosing probably doesn't change more than a minute number of purchase decisions. Though I don't doubt that some marketing person at Apple influenced limiting disclosure of this fix because they thought it helped upgrade rates. If that person exists, they should be fired, because it damaged Apple's credibility.

Instead of a hard to find value in settings that tells you your battery needs replacement, they should have a one time warning when it's first detected that explains this behavior.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by davrosthedalek on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:26PM (#15982925)
Thank you for the your very informative message. I think messages like yours are somewhat lacking in this discussion.

I understand your argument. I think I would be somewhat mad, or maybe it's better to say, disappointed. While I most likely would have bought a new phone anyway, I would despise that Apple took away my ability to make this call. It also means that I could not refurbish the phone and pass it on to parents/friends.

In the last years, I am somewhat disillusioned by Apple. Instead of engineering a better overall package, the innovations seem to be based on cheats (I would the /undisclosed/ cpu down-clocking as such), cutting corners in QC and questionable design decisions (touchbar - why not with some touch feedback? No headphone jack for reasons already disproved by android phones.)

I didn't buy in into the ios eco-system, but like the mbp and mac os. But the number of advantages get smaller, and the number of disadvantages grows.

Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by ghaff on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:22PM (#15982893)
I mostly agree although I don't really know if my iPhone 6 seemingly getting slower is due to power throttling or general software optimized for more performance over time. The geekbench numbers are still fine. I'd hesitate to get a new battery purely on speculation my phone would get faster. So it would be nice if there were some indication of where the battery is in its life. Though like you, I'm upgrading to an X in any case.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by vbezhenar on Friday December 22, 2017 @03:14AM (#15985991)
Optimized for more performance is more like pessimized.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by ghthor on Thursday December 21, 2017 @04:20PM (#15982876)
No guarantee that replacing the battery would disable the underclocking. I suspect it's still be underclocked.
Re:Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life by Bud on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:47PM (#15981613)
The battery is replaceable. Apple offers free replacement with AppleCare and $79 replacement otherwise.