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Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by jakobegger on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:36AM (#15980218)
The slowdown is related to battery health. For some devices, it starts happening after a year; for others it takes longer.

Replacing the battery restores normal performance. You don‘t need to go to an authorised repair shop.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by pmlnr on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:40AM (#15980274)
If something like:

"In order to maintain the battery life you are used to, we had to introduce limits on your iPhone. This is because by time batteries unfortunately lose their capacity. Your phone will be just as new if you take it to our stores and get the battery replaced"

would be communicated, it would be nice. In my opinion. btw batteries usually also have a year of warranty, so there really should be a way to check it's performance.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by dclowd9901 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:06PM (#15981197)
But essentially infeasible. Most of us cannot spare to not have the phone for even a day. Say what you will about our dependence on the devices, but it's a practical problem.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by QasimK on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:22PM (#15981931)
You can do both, show the warning and implement performance limiting. The information would be nice (if not outright essential/ethical)
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by concerned_user on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:45AM (#15980343)
Any responsible manufacturer would notify users about faulty hardware and not try to hide the problem.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by forgot-my-pw on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:51AM (#15980397)
It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. So the CPU is throttled when the battery is no longer optimal to preserve battery life?

I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by concerned_user on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:03PM (#15980537)
Apple says that if they don't throttle it then phone can suddenly shut down (battery overheats, fail-safes shut the power so it doesn't explode) under certain circumstances, which is perceived as fault by end user.

I would like to be informed of this "Your battery is starting to fail". Same way as SMART monitoring in disk drives tells you that it degraded too much and will break soon.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by andrei_says_ on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:03PM (#15980546)
Or have a switch.

I don’t think this is about us having a better experience though. It looks like a strategy to sell new devices by making the old ones obsolete.

I hope we see a class action.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by mrsteveman1 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @01:01PM (#15981146)
> It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time.

> I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.

I agree, but something is odd about this whole situation.

I have an iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4, a 2nd generation iPod Touch, and several Android phones.

The iPhone 6 is the first one I've seen randomly turn itself off when the battery level was below 30%, all of the others would run normally even when the battery condition was poor. I could continue using them normally while the battery indicator ticked down to 1%.

While my iPhone 6 no longer randomly turns itself off, it frequently doesn't respond for 15+ seconds when typing a letter on the keyboard or tapping a text field, it's essentially just as unusable as if it had turned itself off.

What makes me suspicious is that I have a 2nd iPhone 6 here at the moment with a similarly aged battery in fairly poor condition. It doesn't randomly turn off, and the performance difference is immediately noticeable, it's actually usable. The only real difference I can identify is that it is still running an older version of iOS.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by city41 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:44PM (#15980931)
Batteries degrade over time. I wouldn't classify that as faulty hardware. I would say it's faulty design (battery should be easily replaced) and faulty communication though.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by codazoda on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:05PM (#15980572)
If replacing the battery restores normal performance, can connecting a charger also restore normal performance?

Because iPhones don't really have user serviceable batteries, I wonder if an after market battery charging case would provide more speed with a new battery pack.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by jtbayly on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:33PM (#15980814)
No. Plugging it in makes no difference. The only way performance increases is if you increase the charge in the battery, in my experience.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by jmull on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:38PM (#15980864)
From what I've been able to tell, plugging the phone in helps in some cases but there are a lot of cases where it does not help.

(That's from reading around on the internets. I only have direct knowledge of my own situation, where plugging my phone in did not help but replacing the battery did.)

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by melling on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:46AM (#15980353)
How do you know when it's time to replace your battery?

My guess is that most of the billion iPhone users have no idea, and they really don't want to invest much time into figuring it out.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by nawtacawp on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:57AM (#15980473)
Can’t find the post. But this was asked on Reddit the other day and the user got a three paragraph response on how to ‘simply’ monitor battery performance. Also included was optimal charging methods — common sense right? I just want to use my phone without having to worry about if my battery needs to be replaced or not. Just tell me. Like on the Mac that my battery is degraded and should be replaced.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by jtbayly on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:34PM (#15980831)
My battery is at 87% of its original capacity and the phone runs at 50% of its original CPU speed.

ETA: Point being, this doesn't appear to actually be limited to batteries that have seriously degraded.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by Angostura on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:49PM (#15980991)
As an iPhone 6 user I downloaded a an app called CPU Dasher X and found that my CPU was being throttled to 600MHz once it fell to around 40% charge. Not great. Now looking at a battery replacement (~£40)
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by slededit on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:01PM (#15980514)
Nobody has explained why this was suddenly needed with the iPhone 6 and above. It's not like the iPhone 5 didn't have a battery.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by rsynnott on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:26PM (#15980758)
While average power draw for a given task for mobile chips has stayed similar or declined over the last few years, peak draw has gone through the roof. It's quite plausible that the iPhone 5's SoC just never drew enough power at peak for this to be an issue.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by slededit on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:46PM (#15980953)
Normally this sort of issue is solved with a capacitor network. It's actually common to get them removed during a "cost optimization" stage because the device will still appear to work. Just with grately reduced reliability.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by marcosdumay on Thursday December 21, 2017 @02:49PM (#15982194)
Any capacitor network will need some power to stay charged waiting for use. If peaks are rare enough, they won't be a reasonable choice.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by slededit on Thursday December 21, 2017 @03:48PM (#15982597)
The root of the issue is that the internal resistance of the battery is too high to supply current under peak load to the device. Anyone creating an electronic device has to perform these calculations and design a power supply that is sufficient. Its basic electrical engineering.

For extremely short duration peaks up to a few microseconds capacitors are a great workaround. They are necessary for pretty much every digital integrated circuit. A billion transistors all switching at the same time on the rising edge of a clock cycle has a massive instantaneous current draw.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by marcosdumay on Thursday December 21, 2017 @08:44PM (#15984643)
> Anyone creating an electronic device has to perform these calculations and design a power supply that is sufficient.

Yes. And it does look like a case of undersized batteries. If I had to guess, I'd say it was because of too strict product design specifications meeting a lower than expected quality in manufacturing.

CPU power peaks usually last for a (large) fraction of a millisecond or more, because that's how the OS scheduler works. Added to that, peaks may not happen for entire minutes or hours. Both of those work against the usefulness of large capacitor banks.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by grzm on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:03PM (#15980544)
Apple (like other manufacturers) is continually looking for ways to improve performance, whether that be cpu speed or battery life, or other metric. I don't think this has anything special to do with a particular model, only when they decided to deploy this particular feature.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by slededit on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:05PM (#15980570)
It's extremely suspicious this coincided with a massive battery recall that caused unexpected shutdowns.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by grzm on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:25PM (#15980751)
I'm not sure if I follow you here, particularly the use of "extremely suspicious", which makes me think that you believe something underhanded is going on. If so, would you just come out and say it? Innuendo doesn't generally promote useful discussion, and it's even harder on an online forum. Was this something you were thinking about when you wrote your initial comment? If that's not the case, please forgive me. I assumed your initial comment was a legitimate question, and answered in good faith.

If they are related (and perhaps they are, I wasn't thinking about the recall when I wrote my comment), do you think it's unreasonable for engineers at Apple to try to prevent unexpected shutdowns? I would think it would be unreasonable not to, once they saw the impact it was having on user experience. And that's besides improving the battery. The amount of engineering that goes on with respect to power and performance management is incredible, and attacking these types of problems from multiple angles is expected, particularly when you're looking to eek out even more performance in something that's already been through years of optimization iterations.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by slededit on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:40PM (#15980895)
To be explicit I think this was done to limit the scale of the recall. I think the design flaw exists in all the phones not just the subset they identified.

Apple knew the peak draw of their SoC (they designed it). And they knew the capabilities of the battery. Under sizing the battery is exactly what I would call a design flaw.

Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by lawnchair_larry on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:58PM (#15981098)
This certainly seems to be the case from my experience. Same thing they did for previous recalls on MacBooks.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by smhenderson on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:41AM (#15980279)
And how many people end up bricking their phone doing so? It’s not easy and I’m sure a lot of average users simply won’t as they’re afraid to even attempt to take it apart.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by felipelemos on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:50AM (#15980391)
It's really great that Apple just removed that option eons ago.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by dynsrv on Saturday December 23, 2017 @12:30PM (#15995147)
but you need an original battery. Just replaced the battery that seems fake. And.. the clock reduced from 1127 to 600 Mhz instead of 1400 what was I'm hoping.
Re:IPhones start slowing down after a year by mtreis86 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @12:20PM (#15980703)
If only you could just pull the old battery out and put a new one in.