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Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by stuxnet79 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @11:47AM (#15971191)
> Is it another company that did not get anyone from Island or InstaNet or Brut?

Do you mind giving some context to this statement? What I know of the ECNs you mentioned is from reading the book 'Dark Pools'. It would be great to get some insight into the innovations that were developed in all three projects, that have become a mainstay in 'fintech'.

Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by notyourday on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @03:55PM (#15973721)
Fundamentally, what ECNs brought to market is a total automation (and enormous speed) of running a basic limit book both internally and against other market participants. Pre-ECN having major volume if one wanted to sell a million shares and not to get screwed, one needed to develop a very good relationships with specific traders. Now most of such trades are considered to be pretty basic - you may get a little bit of slippage but by god you don't need to call a desk. It really solved front-running issue - it is possible to do a limit 5.1722 500k order but tell ECN to only display "[email protected] until 500k filled". So no desk knows that some fund wants to by 500k shares so it can't trade against this order.

ECNs were f!cking amazing and when Datek started routing limit orders to Island (genius play) from retail investors the days of crazy spreads, slippage and free money became history. Some of them also allowed you to do cross-exchange routing - I think BRUT was first to do it - so you could send your order via BRUT to a specific exchange. This killed NYSE/PHL/AMEX arbitrage (AMEX and PHL were slower than NYSE so it was possible to do a trade on NYSE and take offsetting position on PHL/AMEX immediately locking the spread)

Since ECNs would self-cross at the NBB and NBA even if the market had no action because the likes of NITE and GSCO were slowing down just to get better money on the order flow, the trading simply moved to Island and Instinet forcing regular market makers to play ball.

The effect of ECNs in trading was equivalent of introducing Ansible and Puppet management in server management. Crypto-exchanges now act the same way as the who who say "We only manage our servers using Vt100 terminals using vi"

Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by notyourday on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:14PM (#15984136)
Since i got offline questions:

NBB is "national best bid" and NBA is "national best ask"

Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by stuxnet79 on Friday December 22, 2017 @10:01AM (#15987873)
Do you have an email address I can contact you on? I have even further questions.
Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by notyourday on Sunday December 24, 2017 @07:52AM (#15999314)
hnnotyourday at that google service. i also added it to my profile here
Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by stuxnet79 on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @04:31PM (#16055903)
Great, thanks, I will shoot you a mail some time soon.
Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by stuxnet79 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:16AM (#15979950)
Fantastic response, I appreciate it!
Re:Bitcoin Cash deals frozen as insider trading is probed by notyourday on Thursday December 21, 2017 @11:37AM (#15980228)
It is actually funny. Your comment made me pull out the code I wrote a few years to run a multi-book to basically do what BRUT did except it could trade anything. I'm now absolutely convinced that no existing crypto exchanges have anyone with a clue. As long the current exchanges provide APIs and someone like Lloyds would underwrite counter-party hedge, BRUTing them is a license to print money. They will get absolutely destroyed. It would be equivalent of Michael Phelps swimming against 7 year olds.