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Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by jicks on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @08:54AM (#15969456)
According to the article, the ads deemed "overly annoying or intrusive" are defined by "the standards established by the Coalition for Better Ads, of which it is a member". Since it's not Google actually deciding this, how is that anti-competitive?

BTW, the Coalition for Better Ads has many members [0], including Facebook and other big ads providers.

I'm personally not convinced this will solve the issue, but I believe it's a least a step in the right direction.

[0] https://www.betterads.org/members/

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by dragonwriter on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:25AM (#15969721)
> According to the article, the ads deemed "overly annoying or intrusive" are defined by "the standards established by the Coalition for Better Ads, of which it is a member". Since it's not Google actually deciding this, how is that anti-competitive?

The argument I see for this: because it's a group Google, an ad seller, is part of deciding what ads are allowed and then Google blocking violating ads. Arguably, by pairing standards with blocking, the Coalition for Better Ads, including Google, are jointly engaging in a combination in restraint of trade.

An anti-competitive action doesn't become less anti-competitive when instead of one actor with dominant marketshare, you add additional incumbent actors in the market into the decision process and make it an agreement to restrict what products are acceptable to sell and actively block other products in that category.

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by user5994461 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:42AM (#15969880)
Let's take TV as a comparison. On TV the ads have guidelines on what they can do and show, set by the tv channel and the broader regulation.

On the internet, there isn't anything, it's the wild west. It can't hurt to get some minimal standards, doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it's enforced.

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by colanderman on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @12:58PM (#15972009)
> set by the tv channel and the broader regulation.

Which is key. Television ad regulations aren't set – and enforced – by the dominant advertisement broker.

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by user5994461 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @02:00PM (#15972623)
The channel can refuse to play any ad for any reason. They standards are partially set by the channel.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by colanderman on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @06:29PM (#15974877)
...who is not the broker.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by user5994461 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @06:58PM (#15975083)
Let's get back in times when there was TV but there was no regulation yet. A channel surely had to be the broker and set the standards.

Internet is young. There will be some regulations and standards, eventually.

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by colanderman on Friday December 22, 2017 @01:30PM (#15989694)
Online advertising has existed for over 25 years. [1] Online ad brokers (i.e., competitors with Google) have existed for nearly 20 years. It is incredibly disingenuous of you to pretend as if Google is in any way "forced" to play both gatekeeper and ad broker, like no-one else is trying to compete in that space. Developing Chrome was a deliberate choice by Google to position themselves to own the means by which users consume ads, search (ads), and video (ads).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_advertising#Display_ads

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by dragonwriter on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @10:03AM (#15970089)
Legally, it matters a lot whether it's the government enforcing rules which restrain trade or a private coalition including the major incumbent players in the industry being restrained.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by kodablah on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @10:08AM (#15970133)
> but I believe it's a least a step in the right direction.

Boy, I don't. Ask yourself why this is not an extension instead (even if installed by default)? Also, where can I download this ad list? Why do you believe lack of transparency is a step in the right direction? You really believe that the perpetrators are the best enforcers?

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by jwilk on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @08:59AM (#15969496)
From the HN guidelines:

Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by pc86 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:18AM (#15969651)
Saying "According to the article" is not insinuating someone didn't read it. It's actually very close to "The article mentions that" which is the suggested phrase in your very quote.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by jicks on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:45AM (#15969903)
I edited my comment to follow the guidelines.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by pc86 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:46AM (#15969910)
Thank you for the clarification :) Hopefully jwilk edits their comment accordingly.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by jwilk on Thursday December 21, 2017 @05:27PM (#15983438)
Too late to edit my comment, but I confirm that jicks's comment is fine now.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by exhilaration on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:40AM (#15969859)
I'm pretty sure GP edited their comment.
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by anon1385 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:08AM (#15969559)
Is Chrome going to block ads on the Google search results page for taking up more than 30% of the page?
Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by jicks on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:12AM (#15969595)
My guess is no, because while they may take 30%+ of the screen initially, they don't represent 30%+ of the full page (see [0] for more details).

[0] https://www.betterads.org/mobile-ad-density-higher-than-30/

Re:Google will turn on native ad-blocking in Chrome on Febru... by epicide on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @10:23AM (#15970284)
They wouldn't be adding it to Chrome if it did. That's the problem.