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Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by notyourwork on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @10:04PM (#15966680)
Can someone tell me as a consumer what benefit those chips provide?

It’s slower and security isn’t my problem because fraud is covered by the CC company. So I still don’t get what the benefit is or how our heads are above sand now?

Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by ako on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @12:58AM (#15967385)
It creates a healthier society in long run if people cannot spend money they don't have. Some goes for the uber decision, I think it's healthier for the job market and society in general when this kind of exploitation of employees is not possible.

User experience of debit cards is just fine, I don't carry any cash, and typing a pin code is just as fast as singing your signature. And currently in the Netherlands debit cards also support contactless payment, where you can pay small amounts of money without proving a pin code. I don't use this though, as I don't feel the need to.

Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by kchoudhu on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @05:58AM (#15968613)
> It creates a healthier society in long run if people cannot spend money they don't have

Ok, now explain this:

https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm

Denmark, Holland and Norway are nobody's idea of unhealthy societies -- and households there have well over double the debt load of US households.

Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by farrisbris on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @07:24AM (#15968962)
This debt, at least in Norways case, is probably mostly due to a very large portion of people buying their own home. Its a lot more common here than in other countries and when growing up, at some point buying your own home is almost expected of you. It is also heavily incentivized by the government through tax policy. This is probably creating a housing bubble of sorts, so i guess we'll see how well that turns out at some later date, but i assume that is the reason Norway is where it is on that chart.
Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by kchoudhu on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @07:31AM (#15968993)
I doubt Norwegian homeownership culture is anything as militant or debt-fueled as America's. Remember how the US nearly tanked itself with mortgage backed securities a few years ago?
Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by sobani on Thursday December 21, 2017 @10:23AM (#15979349)
As @farrisbris mentioned, this is mortgage based debt (in the Netherlands).

All debt is tracked, including the 'free' phone you get with your subscription. You can't go over a limit based on your income.

Also a large difference with for example the US is that in the Netherlands you don't need a down payment when buying a home. And until recently you could include the transfer tax, realtor, etc in the mortgage. All which make it easier to buy a home and thereby driving up the debt of a household.

Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by touristtam on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @06:59AM (#15968850)
Those countries have nowhere near the same consumerism culture as the United States.
Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by kchoudhu on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @07:10AM (#15968907)
With respect, that's a horrible generalization, and does nothing to refute my point that households Europe are in much more debt (as a share of disposable income) than US households.
Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by ajdlinux on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @11:59PM (#15967154)
The fraud is ultimately paid for by the userbase (cardholders and merchants) as a whole through paying fees. (Of course, whether a reduction in fraud cost results in a decrease in fee burden or an increase in issuer profits...)
Re:WhatsApp told to stop sharing user data with Facebook by ... by CaptainZapp on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @02:19AM (#15967680)

  It’s slower 
In my experience it's definitely not. Especially when you pay contact less (something any chip containing credit card provides for the last few years) it's basically instantly.

  So I still don’t get what the benefit is or how our heads are above sand now? 
You get the benefit that your card is accepted throughout the world. I don't think that you can use any chipless card in Europe, nowadays.