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Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by andrewstuart on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:24AM (#15949631)
zzzeek - can I take this chance to praise your work on SqlAlchemy. People say there's not enough thanks given to open source developers... here's thanks to you. It's the work of a craftsman.
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by jgraham on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:39AM (#15950963)
I'm pretty sure that SqlAlchemy has caused more grief and frustration than any other single library. After all if I didn't know about the excellence of SqlAlchemy, maybe I wouldn't get so cross when I have to do anything non-trivial with the Django ORM ;)

Joking aside, SwlAlchemy is very impressive software, and zzzeek deserves all this praise and more. Every time that there's one of these anti-ORM articles I feel like SqlAlchemy pre-emtively addressed all the substantive criticisms in its flexible, well layered, design.

(And in the interests of fairness, Django's ORM is also very good at making simple things simple).

Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by href on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:25AM (#15950055)
+1 SQLAlchemy has had a solution for every problem I threw at it in 5 years of heavy use!
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by cybergoat on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:32AM (#15950932)
I want to give thanks to all the SqlAlchemy devs!

I am a huge fan of the custom column types -- they have allowed me to have code that works against SQLite as well as a production databases with ease!

Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by nerdwaller on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:49AM (#15949930)
+1 - personally I really like how SQLAlchemy doesn’t abstract away the database so much where all modeling and power is lost. He and the contributors have done an excellent job.
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by Zancarius on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:28AM (#15950064)
I've always been impressed by zzzeek's near-omnipresent participation. Years ago, I had a question about SQLAlchemy that he'd answered on the mailing list which amazed me given the relative rarity of developer interaction. Yet here we are almost a decade later and he's still answering questions directly, but on many more platforms. I'm actually not convinced he ever sleeps.

I wish more people aspired to be like him, because you know there's no more authoritative answer when you run into a Stack Exchange post and he's offering up his assistance.

Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by flavio81 on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:55AM (#15950795)
+1 SQLAlechemy is an excellent library. Zzzeek, many kind thanks for such a good ORM.
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014) by zzzeek on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:25AM (#15952745)
thanks very much and also to all the other great commenters on this thread!