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Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by espadrine on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:44PM (#15936290)
Using Stellar’s Federated Byzantine Agreement as a basis for consensus is a solid foundation.

David Mazières’ paper[0] displays strong insights and proofs into the structure of byzantine systems with open membership.

[0]: https://www.stellar.org/papers/stellar-consensus-protocol.pd...

I wonder where the code for MobileCoin is, or when it will get open-sourced. All GitHub yields currently is this clearly non-affiliated project: https://github.com/mobilecoind/mobilecoin.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by lumberjack on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:15PM (#15936457)
I'm not sure I understand correctly, but from what I got, Stellar is a distributed ledger, but not a currency. There are no coins as such. But the upside is that the consensus is reached without a taxing algorithm.

Everyone can run a node, but the whole system is not itself decentralised, because you need "anchors", which are banks or payment processors, to get your money in and out of the system.

So then, what is the point of the decentralised ledger? GNU Taler seems like a more simple solution.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by otoburb on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:29PM (#15936525)
>>Stellar is a distributed ledger, but not a currency. There are no coins as such.

From the Stellar FAQ[1]: "Lumens are the native asset of the Stellar network.

Native means that lumens are built into the network. Asset is how the network refers to an item of value that is stored on the ledger.

One lumen is a unit of digital currency, like a bitcoin.

While you can’t hold a lumen in your hand, they are essential to the Stellar network—they contribute to the ability to move money around the world and to conduct transactions between different currencies quickly and securely."

[1] https://www.stellar.org/lumens/

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by zulucrypto on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:28PM (#15936518)
Stellar is a distributed ledger that has a native currency to make payments easier.

After reading up on Taler, it sounds like a very similar idea to Stellar, but Stellar removes some of the need for trusted authorities.

From the Taler overview: "The system requires an external auditor, such as a government-appointed financial regulatory body, to frequently verify the exchange's databases and check that its bank balance matches the total value of the remaining coins in circulation."

In Stellar, this service is provided by the ledger and the nodes that validate it.

There are other interesting features of the Stellar native currency such as providing a way to transparently convert between currencies when making a payment: https://www.stellar.org/how-it-works/stellar-basics/explaine...

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by wmf on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:22PM (#15936485)
you need "anchors", which are banks or payment processors, to get your money in and out of the system.

You also need exchanges for cryptocurrency[1], so why not admit it from day one and build that concept into the system?

And maybe it's possible to graft a cryptocurrency onto SCP by using consensus to choose nodes which receive freshly "mined" currency.

[1] The mythical closed-loop Bitcoin economy ain't going to happen.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by Vadoff on Saturday December 16, 2017 @08:14AM (#15939395)
Then why have a decentralized solution at all? Why not just make it like Paypal?
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by lacker on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:23PM (#15936493)
Anchors are not inherent to the Stellar consensus protocol - that is part of how the Stellar coin works, but the consensus protocol doesn't include that, it is just the mechanism for the various nodes coming to a consensus on the blocks.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by jimmies on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:46PM (#15936598)
In no time in history do I find so rewarding reading and understanding crazy papers like right now. I wish I had the balls to actually read and understand the bitcoin years ago. Even if this thing becomes nothing, this is a bubble, I don't care. The fact that there are things that rival fiat money makes me so glad that I'm alive today :)
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by chc4 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:22PM (#15940869)
I was looking into Ripple last night, and it uses something similar[1]: you enter a set of nodes that you trust will not collude together, and an 80% supermajority of those trusted validators propose transactions, and then an 80% supermajority of all nodes on the network accept those transactions for a new consensus.

It's a lot more efficient than Bitcoin (no proof of work, it's just another consensus protocol), but the trade off is that 1) it doesn't have all the feel-good rampant libertarianism of completely untrusted decentralized consensus of Bitcoin 2) you have to pick a good set of trusted nodes and trust them all not to collude

(Ripple has other problems that skeeve me out, but after thinking about it federated consensus isn't one of them. I think a lot of altcoins are using federation, actually...)

[1]: https://ripple.com/build/xrp-ledger-consensus-process/#the-x...