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Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by austincheney on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:07PM (#15936038)
As an outsider looking in people in the bay area can be way too damn sensitive. With all the social justice warriors running around I am really put off in moving to that area (even if it weren't so damn expensive).
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by RickS on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:50PM (#15936318)
This is mostly an online phenomenon, because you only read content from people who are up in arms about it. The milder views manifest themselves as silence, which is hard to measure.

The social justice warriors aren't "running around". They're flagellating each other in mostly self-selecting circles. People who complain about social justice warriors as though they were commonplace are doing the same.

Most of the less extreme views on this lead to good places - the are deficits in hiring certain classes of people that are worth fixing for the sake of both economics and decency. There are some pretty rampantly abusive environments born when you give a 20something millions of dollars and a building.

I met probably a dozen people (coworkers, acquaintances, etc) in my years there that took this to an unhealthy, draconian extreme. But they're the overwhelming minority. And some of them got rightfully fired for their antics.

If you can avoid being lazily bigoted and sexually offensive, you'll do just fine. The standards of conduct are very reasonable.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by wumpus on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:28PM (#15936181)
Well, if you want to refuse to refer to married gay people as married, or call transgender people by their pre-transition pronouns, AT WORK, you're going to get fired. If that's a problem, you probably shouldn't work at a company where the HR manual says you should treat co-workers with respect.

On the other hand, if you're OK with being respectful to people even if you disagree with their very existence, you're pretty much good to go in the Bay Area.

As an example of this in action, I have a gay friend who eventually moved to New York City with his husband. He works in a big bank in a mid-level job, you'd recognize the name. His manager constantly refers to my friend's husband as his "partner". My friend thought he was going out on a limb when he corrected his manager with "Actually, he's my husband." It's fine to be forgetful; it's not fine to be disrespectful. So far nothing bad has happened, but who knows how it will turn out.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by CodeWriter23 on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:08PM (#15936414)
I'm sure I must be exhibiting some form of hetero-privilege here, but I never got offended by any of the people who referred to my wife as "my partner".
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by vfulco on Friday December 15, 2017 @10:33PM (#15937324)
That's awesome. I am guessing you don't place a chip on your shoulder every morning either, just begging someone to knock it off.
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by wumpus on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:16PM (#15936459)
That's nice for you. I suppose you didn't notice that for a while gay people were only allowed to become "domestic partners", not married? I hope that now you don't now refer to your gay co-workers who are married as having "partners".

Because it's not about you. The Golden Rule is not "call people by the name you are ok with if you were them", it's "call people by the name they want to be called by". If you like, I can pull out my Miss Manners book and quote that rule to you, from the 1950s.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by CodeWriter23 on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:57PM (#15936652)
I prefer "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff" where self-help books are concerned. Also, my rule when dealing with others is don't mistake for malice that which can be explained by ignorance or incompetence. AKA give someone the benefit of the doubt.

And in the specific case you mention, I'll say as a gay marriage advocate, that someone who doesn't believe in gay marriage should not be forced to use terms they believe apply only to heterosexual marriages. IMO both of those people are entitled to their views and preferences and both need to agree to disagree. Without being disagreeable.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by refurb on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:53PM (#15936634)
I was going to say something like "is everyone taking crazy pills?", but I'll aim for a more serious response.

The problem is that people read way too much into what other people say. It sounds like you hear "partner? this person is clearly insensitive to the history of discrimination again LGBT people."

Instead try "I don't like the word partner, but it is a pretty standard term for not only the unmarried, but also married people. This guy probably doesn't understand it bothers me, but I'll give him the benefit that he meant no harm."

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by wumpus on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:57PM (#15936653)
Actually, I'm with the second, not the first.

And so is my gay friend in NYC. It's just that he's scared that his boss is actually a passive-aggressive homophobe and he's going to get fired for politely insisting on "husband".

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by refurb on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:59PM (#15936663)
Does he have evidence his boss is a passive agressive homophobe beyond his use of the word "partner"?
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by wumpus on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:06PM (#15936693)
No, and he's not accusing his boss of anything.

He's just scared.

Keep in mind that he spent the first decade of his career working in places where he could be legally fired for being gay.

And there are lots of parts of the US where he could still be legally fired for being gay.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by nitwit005 on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:26PM (#15936505)
My uncle in Texas had to deal with the transgender pronoun bit while doing IT contracting work (for an oil company I believe). It's not as-if these issues only pop up in California.

There are plenty of people in the bay area that have more conservative values, if for no other reason than that tons of people move here. Nothing particularly bad seems to happen.

Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by greglindahl on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:31PM (#15936530)
I've had plenty of conservative colleagues in the Bay Area who've been able to treat all of their co-workers with respect.
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by jackaroe78 on Friday December 15, 2017 @09:17PM (#15937014)
Sometimes even without monthy HR training
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by gamechangr on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:10PM (#15936057)
What specifically are you referencing? Or which social justice issues?
Re:Sam Altman complains political correctness (gay) “Free Sp... by austincheney on Friday December 15, 2017 @09:16PM (#15937008)
Anything with the word Berkeley comes to mind. Honestly, outside of tech and the Giants (baseball team), the only times the bay area tends to make the national news has to do with people protesting something.

Here are some examples I found searching the interwebs: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/01/11/sjws-tech-conferenc... I remember the incident about Douglas Crockford as a big WTF that confused the hell out of people.