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Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by rijoja on Friday December 15, 2017 @05:09AM (#15930801)
Are you serious? With all the allegations of election fraud you seriously think it's okay to go to the voting station without identifying yourself? Do you have any idea how crazy this sounds to the rest of the developed world?
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by krackersk on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:27AM (#15931071)
I doesn't sound crazy at all. In Australia no one shows ID, we have a voter roll. You walk up and say your name, which is found on the voter roll and you then go an vote.

The name is checked off, as it is compulsory to vote in Australia, so you get rid of all the shannigans about turnout, and actually find out what all the people want rather than a subset.

Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by sheepmullet on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:32AM (#15931305)
And to make it clear the reason Australians don't need ID is because voting is compulsory so turnout is >90% each election.
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:51AM (#15931401)
Australian here. If often wondered if anyone checks those rolls. What's to stop a motivated person from going to several polling booths and casting multiple votes? I suspect this doesn't happen much.
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by Jonnax on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:08AM (#15931009)
In the UK you just:

Go to a polling station. State your name and address. They cross your name off and you get a card Make your choices and put it in a box.

There is negligible voter fraud.

Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by fastball on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:38AM (#15931123)
Sure, but you need to register in advance for the electoral roll, and that registration is linked to an actual known identity (usually via your National Insurance number). And if you arrive at the polling station and someone has already "stolen" your vote, I'm sure you can contest that, no?

That is why your UK credit score has "being on the electoral roll" as a major component - private companies trust the registration process required to vote.

Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by PhineasRex on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:38AM (#15931328)
In the USA you have to register in advance for the electoral roll (which is tied to your SSN or DMV number) and show up with photo ID in these states. If voter fraud were occuring people would, as you say, notice that their vote had been stolen. This is why the photo ID requirement seems superfluous.
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by fastball on Friday December 15, 2017 @09:25AM (#15931983)
Yes, you need to register in advance in both places. However, SSNs are known to be fairly easy to use fradulently. Much more so than the UK's NI number, which is far better managed, tracked, and linked more closely to employment and social services. In the US, there have been many instances where the SSNs of dead people have been abused for a variety of reasons [1].

As to photo ID - there is no federal mandate to have photo ID for voting, and only 15 states require voters to show up to polls with a photo ID [2]. And those states that do are routinely accused by democrats of voter suppression for this requirement. That's kinda the point. One side argues that SSN verification is ripe for abuse, the other side argues that requiring ID is voter suppression.

In order to claim that the system is not ripe for abuse, I think you'd need to prove that SSNs are secure, which is gonna be a major problem because they are definitely not.

1: https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/11/dead-peoples-social-security...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_St...

Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by gadders on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:53AM (#15931185)
There is a postal vote fraud. I wouldn't say it was common, but it's definitely not negligible.
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by zimpenfish on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:33AM (#15931311)
https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2016/12/how-big-a-problem-is-votin...

> According to the data provided in the report, there were 51.4 million votes cast across the UK in 2015, with 26 allegations of voting fraud relation to in person voting and 11 relating to proxy voting, a total of 37.

It seems negligible.

Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by gadders on Friday December 15, 2017 @10:44AM (#15932569)
That's just the number of occurrences, not the number of votes. One postal voting instance could be hundreds of votes. EG: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1487144/Judge-lambast...
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by rijoja on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:04AM (#15931222)
This sounds barbarian to me!
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by arien on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:53AM (#15931186)
This is one of the ways "dead" people can keep voting over and over long after they've passed away.
Re:F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by Latty on Friday December 15, 2017 @01:30PM (#15933908)
Except the allegations all have no proof, despite being investigated, and meanwhile voter suppression has happened, repeatedly. Courts have forced states with voter ID laws to reopen DMVs, for example, where they were closed in predominantly black areas.

You are also completely ignoring the core part of my post, where I say there is literally no issue with requiring ID, provided you ensure that everyone has easy access to it at minimal cost. If you want to require one, require the other - it's hardly a big ask.