News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:E Pur Si Muove by nine_k on Thursday December 14, 2017 @02:28PM (#15925952)
While in SF / SV, can you feel the general air of the ideas acceptable here? A small experiment: take an idea which obviously contradicts that air, and imagine rationally discussing it with people who you typically meet in SF. Will it be more than slightly uncomfortable?

Scott Alexander wrote this great piece, I leave a link to it here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything...

For instant enlightenment, search for the word "Bodhidharma" and read the short parable.

Re:E Pur Si Muove by gdudeman on Thursday December 14, 2017 @06:41PM (#15928444)
I have in fact had many rational discussions with people I disagree with in SF. Around guns, libertarianism, and unlimited freedom on the right and huge taxes on the rich, free healthcare for all, and socialism on the left.

This isn't that hard! The trick is you have to start with an open mind and try to understand where they're coming from. That's true in every place in the US - you aren't going to convince people of your "truth" 99.5% of the time, you're only going to understand their truth.

However! Expecting everyone to want an open discussion or even to hear about your pet controversial topic will make your life hard no matter where you go unless people are pretty close to you politically.

Re:E Pur Si Muove by letsbehonest on Thursday December 14, 2017 @02:45PM (#15926162)
While on HN, you can feel the general air of acceptable ideas.

Sam Altman is not concerned that a leftist can't have a sane discussion on this website. But he IS concerned that a bigoted racist can't be openly bigoted at work.

Weird. I wonder why it is that Sam Altman is so concerned about the rights of bigots to be openly bigoted? Definitely couldn't be related to his relationship with Peter Thiel. No way...

Re:E Pur Si Muove by dang on Thursday December 14, 2017 @03:26PM (#15926628)
Comments like this and your other one at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15925935 are so interesting to me because the opposing comments are so similar: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15752730, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307915, lots more at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=.... From my perspective it brings out how much the people at the poles have in common. (That's not an argument in favor of the ideological center btw; if you think that kind of averaging is dumb, I agree. The way out is not so easy.)

> Definitely couldn't be related to his relationship with Peter Thiel

You might have the arrow of causality reversed there. Also, please don't lash out personally. It's true that public figures are just cartoon characters in most people's minds, and you don't owe any better to cartoon characters, but you do owe better to this community if you're commenting here.

Re:E Pur Si Muove by nine_k on Thursday December 14, 2017 @02:55PM (#15926285)
I don't see left agenda oppressed on HN. E.g. posts about universal basic income, allegedly a rather left-wing policy, appear here often, are highly upvoted and, to my mind, discussed in a quite civil manner.
Re:E Pur Si Muove by kbenson on Thursday December 14, 2017 @03:55PM (#15926945)
It's always easier to assume that your argument is being dismissed because the other side is ignorant or intolerant. As dang points out in a sibling comment to yours, it seems to be universal.

I've found most of HN willing to dive fairly deep on any topic as long as you remain respectful and don't present your self unwilling to actually reconsider your opinion. The problem is that all too often, assholes don't realize that how much an asshole they are comes across very clearly in how they present themselves or their ideas, and many people don't like interacting with assholes. The other problem is that we're all assholes sometimes.

Re:E Pur Si Muove by rhapsodic on Thursday December 14, 2017 @04:50PM (#15927439)
>I don't see left agenda oppressed on HN. E.g. posts about universal basic income, allegedly a rather left-wing policy, appear here often, are highly upvoted and, to my mind, discussed in a quite civil manner.

And further, I've noticed that even the most anodyne comments here that express even slightly right-of-center views get heavily downvoted.

Re:E Pur Si Muove by int_19h on Thursday December 14, 2017 @03:53PM (#15926925)
I'm a "leftist", and I had plenty of sane and interesting discussions on this website.