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Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by lorenzhs on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:42PM (#15916923)
Most of the work is done by academics who receive no compensation from the publisher. Most importantly, it is expected that one participate in peer review. Fundamentally, there's nothing wrong with a reciprocal model of review, but why should publishers get to enjoy enormous profit margins on said work when they're not the ones doing it? Authors don't receive any money from subscriptions or access fees, either. Editors sometimes receive some compensation, but very little. There's just not a lot that the publishers do. It seems unfair that they should be the only ones to profit monetarily from academics' work.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by Vinnl on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:57PM (#15917086)
It's not that publishers do little (there's a lot that you don't usually see, but it's not the peer review), just that not all of it is that necessary, and that it still pales in comparison to the prices they charge.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by monob on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @04:18PM (#15917749)
In physics at least you need to write and typeset your own papers for the most part.

Look at arxiv.org, that papers there are made purely by academics from start to finish and are already publication grade (if not better).

Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by Vinnl on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @04:22PM (#15917793)
Yes, physics (and most disciplines on arXiv) is relatively special. Although for some reason physicists still mostly submit there work to the journals in addition to placing them on arXiv...

(That said, typesetting and writing are more and more often offloaded to academics, but there's also things like e.g. making HTML versions and system-readable versions [1] available, which is a cumbersome manual process.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_for_Metadata_Harvesti...

Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by noobermin on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:20PM (#15918231)
It depends on the field, but you're forgetting that arXiv does not do peer-review. Just because publishing is broken and yes peer-review has issues doesn't mean peer-review isn't needed.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by Vinnl on Thursday December 14, 2017 @02:14AM (#15920496)
On the one hand that's an important point, but on the other hand, the formal process of peer review as currently arranged by journals has many flaws, and the reason arXiv is so popular in fields like physics is that they want their results "out there" for others to use as soon as possible - i.e. people start to use it before it's been peer reviewed. In fact, the comments one receives after publishing it in arXiv often make its way into the submitted manuscript.

So yes, peer review is useful, but it also often happens after publication at arXiv, outside of the journal submission.

Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by pishpash on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:50PM (#15917541)
Reviewers certainly shouldn't be the ones profiting from it, that would be an absurd conflict-of-interest. Publishers do some work, but I think it's mostly the long-tail problem. The popular stuff is subsidizing the large number of very very esoteric. Unbundling might help.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by anbende on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @09:35PM (#15919543)
You're mistaken. Paying reviewers would only cause a conflict of interest if it biases reviewers in a particular direction. Which direction would that be?

Paying the reviewer doesn't incentivise them to accept or reject only to actually do the review. As it stands, in many fields reviewers are far from experts in the area they're reviewing but only in the same general discipline. Papers sail through review without proper statistical oversight, because what statistics expert is going to spend their time reviewing psych or bio articles when that's not their discipline?

Well if we paid people to do what amounts to some of the most important work in science, maybe we'd get actual experts to do it!

Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by pishpash on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:21PM (#15919698)
Or, you get charlatans who review for money.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by anbende on Thursday December 14, 2017 @02:13PM (#15925769)
That's a danger, for sure, but once you're paying people you can generally be more choosy. CVs can be reviewed as can previous review work.

No one suggests that paying programmers to program results in shoddier work. There just needs to be an accountability and feedback system just like in any other industry.

Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by noobermin on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:22PM (#15918250)
I'd have to think of it, but I think reviewers would have a conflict-of-interest if they were paid based on the result of their reviews. If they are compensated to just review a paper either way I don't see the issue.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by pishpash on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @07:16PM (#15918939)
Depends on what they believe the purpose of the review is. They'll be incented to do whatever gets them more reviews.
Re:Universities spend millions on accessing results of publi... by maxerickson on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:55PM (#15917580)
Can you explain the conflict you see?

The editor would still pick reviewers based on reputation, they'd just get a lump sum along with the work.